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Hi all...Seeking your opinion on this one...the last four times I've gone to play live poker I've gotten steamrolled...I've had AA lose eight times and QQ or KK probably just as much (yes, I did lay these down when I had to)...now I realize that the best table to play at is a loose-passive table (usually) but when is loose too loose? I find that if I can't get ANYONE to fold no matter how tight I play it's worthless to me to stay there, for two reasons: 1) The more people in, the more likely it is I'll get caught and 2) Statistically if I have a big pair against one or two opponents, great...but against five or six I know my chances go down.So, right now I'm re-evaluating my want for these live games...online it seems like I can get some "respect" at $2/4 or $3/6 -- am I correct in thinking that if the table is too loose I should just get up? Or, should I "dummy-up" or what? Your thoughts....Thanks,Jason

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Hi all...Seeking your opinion on this one...the last four times I've gone to play live poker I've gotten steamrolled...I've had AA lose eight times and QQ or KK probably just as much (yes, I did lay these down when I had to)...now I realize that the best table to play at is a loose-passive table (usually) but when is loose too loose?  I find that if I can't get ANYONE to fold no matter how tight I play it's worthless to me to stay there, for two reasons: 1) The more people in, the more likely it is I'll get caught and 2) Statistically if I have a big pair against one or two opponents, great...but against five or six I know my chances go down.So, right now I'm re-evaluating my want for these live games...online it seems like I can get some "respect" at $2/4 or $3/6 -- am I correct in thinking that if the table is too loose I should just get up?  Or, should I "dummy-up" or what?  Your thoughts....Thanks,Jason
I love playing at loose tables. These players will play hands like J/9 off or 7/5 off from the middle position. I find that playing quality hands against this field gives you an immediate advantage. Against these players top pair is often good enough and 2 pair kills. i love playing with loose players. They are calling stations and ATMs.
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So, right now I'm re-evaluating my want for these live games...online it seems like I can get some "respect" at $2/4 or $3/6 -- am I correct in thinking that if the table is too loose I should just get up? Or, should I "dummy-up" or what? Your thoughts.... Ok, if you have AA, you WANT people calling you with J9o and other crappy hands. The pots get huge this way, and yes you are going to lose to some rediculously bad players with horrible hands but all you can do is play your Aces full steam and when they do hold up you'll be dragging in a monster pot that will make up for all the times they didn't plus a lot more. This is when you're happy you didnt get "respect"

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loose = easy money.... as long as you can get decent hands the pots are huge and the payouts are worth it... It can be frustrating, but I just note the loose players and calling stations, and put them on my buddy list so if im ever looking for easy money I know where to get it (not that its that hard at party)

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Maybe I'm just on a bad run then....I mean, I've made a few mistakes, yes, but for the most part I'm actually playing well (and I know when I'm not)...one hand today...I capped it w/AA pre-flop and long story short...on a board of 743TT a guy w/AT had called all five bets pre-flop, chased me down and ran me down...ugh! In the same session I was dealt AA again...and a guy with 55 chased me down and spiked a 5 on the end!Deep down, yes, I still love these type of tables but it's frustrating to get beat pot after pot after pot when starting with these quality hands...oh well...I'm still way ahead overall at least...thanks for re-assuring that I'm at least somewhat on the right path and for a chance to vent a little...by the way I have an online journal at http://www.livejournal.com/users/sportsfntc if you need something to read to help you catch up on sleep... :D

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Deep down, yes, I still love these type of tables but it's frustrating to get beat pot after pot after pot when starting with these quality hands...oh well...I'm still way ahead overall at least...It's less frustrating when you realize just how big the pots are when you win them.You'll miss those 25BB pots where you've only put in 5BB when you play in tighter games, trust me.

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You'll miss those 25BB pots where you've only put in 5BB when you play in tighter games, trust me.great quote...most people have played for such a limited time in this forum... this is the best way to say it..Smash has play for a long time obviously and knows what he's talking about...you don't appreciate how easy you're getting it... until you get it harderps. I'm one of those people who've played for a limited time (just over a year)i've forced myself to learn the hard way.trust me... listen to smash

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Ive played in alot of games like this. Its actually pretty standard practice for a table of 3-6 at the local harrahs to play like this (on the weekends). You just have to play extremely tight and hope they dont notice and tighten up when you come in. My general rule for these types of games, where everyone is in, is Trips or better, or get the hell out. Dont forget to play your suited aces and connectors in late at these tables, this is where they really pay off. If its a passive table, play them from any position as well as any pocket pair. Throw away the KQ, KJ AJ etc that isnt suited, its not going to take it down unless you hit the straight.

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Throw away the KQ, KJ AJ etc that isnt suited, its not going to take it down unless you hit the straight.That's such horrible advice it almost burned the eyes out of my skull.If ten people showed down every hand every time, the hand that would most often win is still top pair.

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Throw away the KQ, KJ AJ etc that isnt suited, its not going to take it down unless you hit the straight.That's such horrible advice it almost burned the eyes out of my skull.If ten people showed down every hand every time, the hand that would most often win is still top pair.
No kidding... don't fold those hands. When I play live it's 1-3 spread.... and I might limp with KQ or KJ... (unless nobody wants to take charge and i'm in LP).... But I will definitely raise with AJ... and I can't think of why I'd fold them, unless maybe I have a raise and re-raise ahead of me. Most people play much worse live than online... which I know is hard to believe... but you just get more "gamblers" live. At least they play worse pre-flop... but possibly tighter post.
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When I play live it's 1-3 spreadIn Chicago?Harrah's doesn't have a 1-3 spread game, do they?
No, I wish... But there's a charity casino that goes between Rockford and the Chicago area. A few days a week. Usually once a week or week 1/2 it's in my area. Although I've only played a few times... since I have no cash, lol. Wish I did though... it's such easy money. And much more fun playing live. Plus you get to secretly make fun of the young guns who sit down with sunglasses and huge headphones with the Ipod like it's the wsop.
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When everyone is in? youve got to be kidding me. stick to .5 - 1
Should Sklansky, Malmuth, and Miller stick to .5 -1, too? SSHE, p.73:
Big Offsuit Broadway (AK, AQ, AJ, and KQ) .These are the best of the offsuit hands. They commonly make a strong top pair. All offsuit hands are at an inherent disadvantage in a multiway pot, but these hands win often enough to play well against many weak limpers. (emphasis mine - Mr. H) They are strong in either a passive or aggressive game; top pair hands win a large number of pots, so you should welcome preflop action from bad players.
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When is a game too loose? Never. I wish I could find a game, where nobody is allowed to fold except me. Figure everyone will win their share of pots and the money you make will be the money you save by folding your losers. You can also make more by charging them more when they have the winner. Play good kickers and you will kill a loose game.

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I play very tight in loose games. My blind disagreement came from the fact that smash said it in a way that got under my skin, as he is so good at doing. blehI am also not a fan of AJ or KQ, these hands seem to be trouble for me.

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