Betting Into A Dry Sidepot

[NicksDad1970 0]

I realize the general consenus is you don't want to do it because it's basically 2 people against an all in. You want to eliminate the all inner. But what if you have some scarecards? Like K2 with a Kd-5d-4s.Do you just tell yourself if you win it's a bonus? I mean a board like that has a flush and a straight draw.

[hblask 1]

I realize the general consenus is you don't want to do it because it's basically 2 people against an all in. You want to eliminate the all inner. But what if you have some scarecards? Like K2 with a Kd-5d-4s.Do you just tell yourself if you win it's a bonus? I mean a board like that has a flush and a straight draw.

I'm in a tournament for myself, not "the good of all". I have to analyze the following questions:1) How much do I gain by elminating this person? If top 40 payout, and there are 384 left, just play your game. If top 10 payout and there are 11 left, you may get a different answer.2) What are the odds I will actually win?3) What are the odds a draw will beat me on a hand that I would win right now?My rule: unless there is an immediate, substantial increase in my payout by eliminating this person AND I believe that two people have a better chance than one against them AND I believe the other person believes the same thing, I play to win the hand.

[Scott3705 0]

Generally, it's bluffing into a dry side pot that's bad. not necessarily betting. If you have a hand that figures to be the best, there's nothing wrong with betting to try to protect your hand against hte other guy.

[MasterLJ 0]

Generally, it's bluffing into a dry side pot that's bad. not necessarily bluffing. If you have a hand that figures to be the best, there's nothing wrong with betting to try to protect your hand against hte other guy.

QFTIf someone bluffs a dry side pot just to lose to the all-in, it hurts everyone.

[FOOSE1 0]

Side pot bluffing drives me insane. As the other guy said, side pot betting is not bad if you have what you think is the best hand. But if you don't have squat and you bluff at a dry side pot . . . well . . . you should be shot. Just kidding . . . (no I'm not).

[The Czar 0]

I don't typically bet into one unlass I'm fairly certain I have the best hand. Every guy eliminated is one guy closer to my goal of first place.

[Scott3705 0]

I don't typically bet into one unlass I'm fairly certain I have the best hand. Every guy eliminated is one guy closer to my goal of first place.

that would depend for me. If I were in a bubble type of situation, I may be willing to just let it check through. (In a satelite situation, most definately). In early mid stages of a tourney. I'm betting a very small amount if I think i have the best hand.

[Actuary 3]

I was in a 50 Man and all in with T9 for 1700 and blinds of 100/200.Get called in 2 places.After flop one guy makes a big bet, with 8 high and not much of a draw.I win..and triple up to 5100+ and an M = 17.I suck at MTT's, but that besides the point

[ricker 0]

I'm ok betting into a dry side pot to try and pick it up and increase my chances heads up. But of course only if you have a hand. Any person with a decent draw will more than likely call to try and catch up anyway.

[Briguy 0]

Dry side pots by definition aren't worth picking up. They are teensy compared to the main pot.The only time I ever want to see chips redistributed to an all-in player is when said redistribution puts both of the remaining players at the same chip disadvantage to my big stack. (for example: all-in has 300, caller has 1200, I have like 2400 chips. At the end, if I drive out the caller and lose to the small stack, I'll have 2100 to two stacks of 900. If caller wins, he'll have 1800 and I'll have 2100.) This kind of situation is so rare as to barely be worth mentioning, and it carries a pretty big risk if the all-in or the caller manage to double up against you later, and I usually make such decisions preflop anyway (with decent hands).When you bluff at a dry side pot, you are willingly letting the all-in back into the game with triple his chips. There are very, very few circumstances where letting someone back in with a triple up is +EV, if any.

[AceyDeucy 0]

The distinction is are you bluffing? With top pair, no you aren't.Paul Phillips discussed such a hand last year. Key point highlighted in bold:http://extempore.livejournal.com/113116.html"Level 8, 300-600/75: I have 60K. UTG (100K) limps and I call in the small blind. The big blind (12K) raps and the flop comes 863 with two spades. We check to UTG who bets 3K. I call and the big blind mini-check-raises to 6K. Now UTG mini-re-raises to 12K. After long consideration I call, and the big blind calls all-in. ... The turn is an offsuit king. I check. ... UTG checks. The river is the 3 of spades. I bet 10K into the 40K pot. ... UTG quickly calls."http://extempore.livejournal.com/113157.html"Level 8: I had AsTs. The big blind flopped top two with 86o. UTG limped with AA. The comments on this were great because a number of people figured out that UTG held aces. What made this hand key in my mind was that I felt like my hand was so ridiculously well defined, how could UTG not bet me out on the turn? My decision in fading the flop action hinged on whether I thought UTG would let me see the river for free. Sure enough.UTG correctly figured out he was behind the big blind, which is presumably why he checked; but if cards existed that would promote his hand past the big blind but promote my hand even further, he had to bet me out. As it turned out there were only two such cards (the king and three of spades) but lucky me, one of them hit."If you are winning, you have a right to protect your hand. If you don't have a hand, you are just being stupid.

[76clubs 0]

I was in a 50 Man and all in with T9 for 1700 and blinds of 100/200.Get called in 2 places.After flop one guy makes a big bet, with 8 high and not much of a draw.I win..and triple up to 5100+ and an M = 17.I suck at MTT's, but that besides the point

this is exactly why you dont bluff, you leave guys like this in the tourney with 10 highmake value bets all you want

[Actuary 3]

this is exactly why you dont bluff, you leave guys like this in the tourney with 10 high

actually, he probably sensed my MTT suckdom and was doing anything he could to keep the other guy from getting the chips.Handing them to me was just a temporary deposit.