how realistic is it to make money in small stakes...

[Sendachi 0]

....Tight aggressive play will yield nice pay offs at the end of a good solid hand........The range of answers seem to be either I am lying, am extremely lucky, .....

I hear what you're saying Phish and I agree that some people are coming off a little strong. But I think what people (like myself) are having trouble with is that you don't seem to have hit a run of bad cards or bad luck yet. Tight-aggressive is how I play and it *can* yield some great results against loose players. *But* you can be doing everything right and still have a losing session, which is something you don't seem to have experienced.For example, you get dealt AA in the BB and UTG goes all in for $20 dollars. It gets folded around to you. If you call, you're probably a favorite. But AA does get cracked. So do you fold it because you don't have the nuts? If you're waiting til you have the nuts and then making huge bets, people will get wise and start folding. If you call an all in when you have AA, at some point you're going to have a losing session.I like to put my money in when I have the best of it. That doesn't mean I'm always going to win. In the long run I should, but I'm also going to have some down sessions because of luck. It seems that you're saying that good play makes you impervious to luck in every session and people that have been playing for a while know that's simply not true.Anyhow, I'm not trying to add to the snarkiness and I hope my post didn't read that way. Just trying to explain why people (myself included) don't think your good run is sustainable.

[Bonobio 0]

I've got the solution to all of this.The question is about Small Stakes. Being so...Smasharino is right. Why? Well, why on earth would you need such a giant bankroll playing small stakes? Take out a good grand or so. You won't be needing it in the games you are playing and have been so successful at. Besides, you'll just make it back in a week or two....and then you take that grand out. You've therefor got a very successful system of playing low stakes, a healthy profit that can't be touched, and you won't end up like the kid who lost his college money. in Summation:Why NOT take out your profit if you are playing Small Stakes unless you intend on losing it??

[Smasharoo 0]

And no, I will not divulge the site I play at. That would be silly now woudn't it?YEah, you'd have to stop making these pointless posts which are clearly bald faced lies because people would go watch.Silly!You're a liar, I'm done with you.Keep lying it up, liar, lie your way to whatever it is you feel you wanted to get out of your original filthy lying untrue lie.

[epistemic 0]

i think my initial advice was that i really liked it that he was putting in 2-3 hour quality sessions, and had done well. I didn't really analyze the 500-750/wkly figure, since i've kind of become desensitized to figures in general. Of course Smash gave two truthful extremes: lying or lucky.and justblaze gave his erudite take on sustainability, both of which i agree with.so no this isn't sustainable, and having attained anything in poker tends to give us an ex post facto sense of expectation, and a No Limit kind of expectation is typically fallacious. (over the summer I had a miraculous winning streak in multi-table tournaments on a Prima Poker skin, and actually expected that I could take down a multi-table tournament every 7 days, then a four month drought corrected that).a lot of profit depends on how many mistakes your opponents are making, and as this is constantly changing, so is your win rate. as the consequences of error are vastly more costly in no limit this makes the question of sustainability impossible to clarify or really answer. in limit with it's mechanical betting set up, you can hammer out the grey area and get an idea of what is sustainable.question: what is sustainable at his NL stakes level? (or does the nature of NL simply bar any attempt to forecast something like this).

[NegroPls 0]

And no, I will not divulge the site I play at. That would be silly now woudn't it?YEah, you'd have to stop making these pointless posts which are clearly bald faced lies because people would go watch.Silly!You're a liar, I'm done with you.Keep lying it up, liar, lie your way to whatever it is you feel you wanted to get out of your original filthy lying untrue lie.

Don't take it out on him just because I savaged you so badly in our argument you gave up on giving hubris chockalockfull "People I wouldn't get along with get their ego wrapped up in petty things" responses. =(

[Smasharoo 0]

Don't take it out on him just because I savaged you so badly in our argument you gave up on giving hubris chockalockfull "People I wouldn't get along with get their ego wrapped up in petty things" responses. =(I don't even know who you are.Perhaps you've overvalued my intrest in whatever we were talking about, because I really have no idea.

[lilput 0]

This is out of control. This entire forum has become a great big ego fest. Nobobdy believes that anybody could be better than them and actually winning a ton of money. I mean for christsakes why does it matter???? If most of these people are lying about making the money they have claimed to make what's the difference. Does it actually hurt anybody to allow someone to live in their own little fantasy????? Besides unless you can actually see their account balance or transfer history how will you ever know for sure???? So why waste your time and the time of other forum readers by stating why you think so and so is lying. Answer the people's question based on the statements they are giving. Stop analyzing everything they say to uncover the validity behind their statements. It's a waste of time that never gets anywhere.

[Smasharoo 0]

It's a waste of time that never gets anywhere.That's not true, the excuses why they can't tell you where they play are realy pretty amusing.

[lilput 0]

It's a waste of time that never gets anywhere.That's not true, the excuses why they can't tell you where they play are realy pretty amusing.

Wow, I never thought of that way. I'm glad the forum is so amusing to you smash. I can really see why people value your opinion.

[Smasharoo 0]

Wow, I never thought of that way. Well, some people just aren't as insightful as others. I'm glad the forum is so amusing to you smash.Me too, it's great fun when I'm bored. I can really see why people value your opinion.Because I'm right a lot of the time and I make them laugh.Allthough people with no sense of humor tend to to get really uptight and start posts decalring "this must stop" or "this is terrible" like old black women on Jerry Springer standing up in the audience and testifying how terrible the people on the show are.Testify sister!!!They're actually pretty funny too.Can I get an amen?

[Emptyeye 0]

AMEN!I must admit, watching people getting riled up over your posts is pretty damn funny.

[lilput 0]

Can I get an amen?

Amen...What's so ironic about that is how well if fits. See "amen" is Hebrew for "so be it" Honestly I don't think there are more fitting words to describe the current situation.

[Smasharoo 0]

Nebish is probably more apropriate if we're going to go all yddish.

[PhishForChips 0]

Hey smash you dummy, the reason I won't divulge the site I play at is becasue there are some pretty goddamned good players in this forum that could come and sit in these games and beat the hell out of these games. it has nothing to do with fear of anyone "watching" me play. Which is an absurd statement to make in the fitst place. If you are intent on "watching" me play at a low stakes game for a few hours a night might i recommend a few things you can add to spice up your life?Here's a good one: Sex. Get back to me after you have achieved that and I'll receommend a few more.Again, thanls to the forum members that are actually attempting to give good answers instread of 25 varients of "He's lying!!". ZZZZZZZZ

[Smasharoo 0]

Whatever you say, liar.Let me know when there's a new excuse.Just to be clear, the current one is that the site you play is a seeeeekrit site full of ultra-phish who never get lucky and just constatnly pay you off that no one here as ever considered, because we rarely look around internet poker sites for soft games unless someone tells about themThat about right?Make another grand today yet?

[PhishForChips 0]

Whatever you say, liar.Let me know when there's a new excuse.Just to be clear, the current one is that the site you play is a seeeeekrit site full of ultra-phish who never get lucky and just constatnly pay you off that no one here as ever considered, because we rarely look around internet poker sites for soft games unless someone tells about themThat about right?Make another grand today yet?

I wonder if any of the other forum members get a kick out of your obsession here. I sure do! Funny tha such a stud at poker, as you seem to carry yourself around these parts, has to stoop to the level of some internet "liar". lmao.You're a wanker.

[Smasharoo 0]

I wonder if any of the other forum members get a kick out of your obsession here. I sure do! Funny tha such a stud at poker, as you seem to carry yourself around these parts, has to stoop to the level of some internet "liar". lmao.I'm just killing time while I play.You're the one making up crazy excuse after crazy excuse.Hahahahahaha.Man, it's funny as hell, trust me.Even the people that hate me realize you're full of it at this point, you do understand that, right?I mean, really, all you'd have to do is say where you play, have a few people watch your grat performance and you'd have realy shut me up, proved me wrong and made me a lughing stock. You'd be a hero!Not going to happen though, junior, is it?We all know why, don't we?I think we do.Man, you're a funny guy.

[waldo 0]

i believe it is very realistic to make alot of money at small stakes, i have been trying to build a bankroll at 1/2, and i average about 5 bb per 100 hands at 200 hands per hour, im making around $20 an hour which is not bad at all. 5 bb is nothing crazy either, if i put in 40 hrs a week i could make a decent living at it

[Smasharoo 0]

i believe it is very realistic to make alot of money at small stakes, i have been trying to build a bankroll at 1/2, and i average about 5 bb per 100 hands at 200 hands per hour, im making around $20 an hour which is not bad at all. 5 bb is nothing crazy either, if i put in 40 hrs a week i could make a decent living at itSee, you I believe.Damn, I'm a good judge of character.

[allinbluff35 0]

the funniest part of this is I posted the website I played at and how much I made and noboyd questioned it. Try the same clownboy!

[NegroPls 0]

Don't take it out on him just because I savaged you so badly in our argument you gave up on giving hubris chockalockfull "People I wouldn't get along with get their ego wrapped up in petty things" responses. =(I don't even know who you are.Perhaps you've overvalued my intrest in whatever we were talking about, because I really have no idea.

So you either can't remember things you say several hours previous after devoting several posts to a back and forth, or you're lying. Either way, I feel pretty stupid for arguing on the internet. If this was a place of discussion in real life you'd have to admit your mistakes or sullenly run away from the argument in defeat, like every bully I've ever confronted. Unfortunately, I'm the fool since you're behind the safety of a computer to inure yourself against any kind of accountability for your words.

[Guest Anonymous]

Just won another $200 playin .25/.50 from 1pm to about 5pm. Sounds like some people in here just don't seem to understand how low stakes players play so loose. Tight aggressive play will yield nice pay offs at the end of a good solid hand. Again, my question to begin with was the reality of this yield long term. the range of answers seem to be either I am lying, am extremely lucky, or that it is just not possible to make these profits at this level. I can assure you i am not lying. When you get in the big pots with the best of it, you tend to yield good results. i simply do not throw my money in the pots with a big pair only or a straight when someone is betting into me with 4 spades on the board for example. i may miss a few pots from getting bluffed but I hit the big pots consistently enough agaisnt undisciplined players. I realize these results would be reversed at higher blinds so I am certainly attempting to learn more strategies and adjust to higher level of play. Am I a great player? of course not. Although I think that for someone who has only been playing for $$$ in the last year i am doing well so far. Again, call it luck until your face turns blue. I will have to disagree. And I am sorry if some of you seem to think I sound "like a 14 year old". I am a college graduate and save my best prose for my work life, not on a forum.guy now your definitely lieing. you are tight aggressive that means you don't play a lot of hands. And then you bet even if you don't have it to put pressure on aftert eh flop. so either you are getting acesa and being dealt a66 aftert he flop. And gettitng called by everyone at the table or you are a BSER. either way i don't care to me you are a liar and my contact with you is done. You make smash look like an honest guy

[JohnnyCache 0]

My concern with this guy's sustainablity is that he's jumping limits too quick and putting to much salad in the bowl at once and he'll get cleaned out when he hits his ceiling - it happens to me ALL THE TIME

[CrAcKeDaCeS 0]

Whatever you say, liar.Let me know when there's a new excuse.Just to be clear, the current one is that the site you play is a seeeeekrit site full of ultra-phish who never get lucky and just constatnly pay you off that no one here as ever considered, because we rarely look around internet poker sites for soft games unless someone tells about themThat about right?Make another grand today yet?

Just wanted to pose a simple logical question. Let's assume that the original poster (Phish) is telling the truth. Let's also assume that Phish plays on the poker site under the same name that he posts with, here at fcp. So, he doesn't want skilled, experienced players coming to his game and maybe ruining his string of winning/luck/whatever you want to call it. Smash-Isn't this the same reason that you keep your PP name such a closely guarded secret? Because you don't want people who know how you play to come to your table? Now, feel free to flame away, I'm expecting it.

[PhishForChips 0]

Whatever you say, liar.Let me know when there's a new excuse.Just to be clear, the current one is that the site you play is a seeeeekrit site full of ultra-phish who never get lucky and just constatnly pay you off that no one here as ever considered, because we rarely look around internet poker sites for soft games unless someone tells about themThat about right?Make another grand today yet?

Just wanted to pose a simple logical question. Let's assume that the original poster (Phish) is telling the truth. Let's also assume that Phish plays on the poker site under the same name that he posts with, here at fcp. So, he doesn't want skilled, experienced players coming to his game and maybe ruining his string of winning/luck/whatever you want to call it. Smash-Isn't this the same reason that you keep your PP name such a closely guarded secret? Because you don't want people who know how you play to come to your table? Now, feel free to flame away, I'm expecting it.

Does he?? lmao. What a f''n hypocrite. Carry on.