Final Hand Suck Outs At The Wsop

[anselm 0]

Killed a little time this afternoon by looking up the final hands of every WSOP. I found information on 32 of them... A solid 44% (14/32) of the time the champ started the final hand with the worst of the two (often dominated even) yet ended up the winner. More importantly though, only 3 times did the worst win when all the money went in (a true bad beat). The latest is pretty marginal but I included it nonetheless. In 2001, Carlos Mortensen bested Dewey Tomko as a 48% to 52% dog. With an open-ended straight draw and a flush draw, the champ's KQs outdrew Tomko's AA on the river.The beat in 2000 was a little more brutal. All-in pre-flop, Chris Ferguson (A9, 23%) spiked a 9 on the river to beat TJ Cloutier (AQ, 71%). Almost as bad was the 1997 WSOP when Stu Unger sucked out on John Strzemp. On a A35 flop, Unger with A4 raises Strzemp all-in who calls with A8. Though only 28% to win, a miraculous 2 on fifth street seals the championship for Stuey.TP/SO/MM

[wsox8 10]

wow you must have been bored.. Nice numbers though..

[gkunit20 1]

Harrington, in HOH:Domination is not as bad as it seems.

[champsox 0]

In both of Doyle's wins he started with T2 and flopped one pair, hitting a runner runner boat each time. I know the money went in at least once on the flop when DB had the worst of it.

[SSPadawon4 0]

In both of Doyle's wins he started with T2 and flopped one pair, hitting a runner runner boat each time. I know the money went in at least once on the flop when DB had the worst of it.

thats that though for example this year haechem 73 danneman A4. 2003 Moneymaker in '03 had 54 Farha had J10 money made a boat.

[Demonde 0]

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[Sean_ec 0]

if they won it on the hand, that meant they had a chip lead.which means they were probably playing to have two lives cards a lot of the time or being a lil more loose since you can win it all in the one hand.see a lot of silly calls from people H2H when they have a big chip lead.

[anselm 0]

thats that though for example this year haechem 73 danneman A4. 2003 Moneymaker in '03 had 54 Farha had J10 money made a boat.

Dannenmann actually had A3, so dominated Hachem. And though JT is also favorite over 54 pre-flop, in both cases when all the chips went in Hachem and Moneymaker were favorites.You're right champsox, forgot to add that one. Though Doyle only sucked out in '76 -- and with only an 8% chance. In '77 he started as a slight favorite and when they got all-in on the turn he was way ahead.

[grocery_mony 8]

Not the final hand of 2003 but the hand that changed the history of poker i believe. When Moneymaker caught an ace on the river against Phil Ivey to make a higher full house. Ivey would have had a pile of chips and a real shot at the bracelet and Moneymaker would be long forgot and poker would not be as big.

[joelav128 0]

If Moneymaker hadn't caught that ace, would me and you be playing right now?

[Foulky 0]

Killed a little time this afternoon by looking up the final hands of every WSOP. I found information on 32 of them... A solid 44% (14/32) of the time the champ started the final hand with the worst of the two (often dominated even) yet ended up the winner. More importantly though, only 3 times did the worst win when all the money went in (a true bad beat). The latest is pretty marginal but I included it nonetheless. In 2001, Carlos Mortensen bested Dewey Tomko as a 48% to 52% dog. With an open-ended straight draw and a flush draw, the champ's KQs outdrew Tomko's AA on the river.The beat in 2000 was a little more brutal. All-in pre-flop, Chris Ferguson (A9, 23%) spiked a 9 on the river to beat TJ Cloutier (AQ, 71%). Almost as bad was the 1997 WSOP when Stu Unger sucked out on John Strzemp. On a A35 flop, Unger with A4 raises Strzemp all-in who calls with A8. Though only 28% to win, a miraculous 2 on fifth street seals the championship for Stuey.TP/SO/MM

If I remember correctly I believe Stuey also sucked out on Doyle Heads-up of the Main Event in 1980 when Doyle had A-7 and Stuey had 4-5 and the flop came down A-2-7 and they got their money in and Stuey spiked the gut-shot. They may not have gotten all their money in on the flop but I think they did but i may be mistaken.

[Steamed Rice 0]

chris "i won the WSOP with 54 offsuit" moneymakerwasnt really a suckout since he flopped 2 pair but 54 offsuit for gods sakes

[fatman 1]

I hope to suckout at the final table this year to win.

[LincolnK 1]

If I remember correctly I believe Stuey also sucked out on Doyle Heads-up of the Main Event in 1980 when Doyle had A-7 and Stuey had 4-5 and the flop came down A-2-7 and they got their money in and Stuey spiked the gut-shot. They may not have gotten all their money in on the flop but I think they did but i may be mistaken.

i read about this one somewhere; its implied odds to the extreme. stu put doyle on his hand and figured if he hits his longshot, he gets all of doyle's chips. doyle had enough to give stu proper odds to make the call. looks like a totally different situation from that side, eh?

[Alpha1494 0]

If I remember correctly I believe Stuey also sucked out on Doyle Heads-up of the Main Event in 1980 when Doyle had A-7 and Stuey had 4-5 and the flop came down A-2-7 and they got their money in and Stuey spiked the gut-shot. They may not have gotten all their money in on the flop but I think they did but i may be mistaken.

On the final hand in 1980, all the money went in on the turn after Stuey had the nuts. Doyle made a decent sized bet on the flop with top to pair, and I'm assuming Stuey called knowing he would get all of Doyle's chips if he made his hand. I'm almost 100% positive that all the money went in with Doyle only having a 9% chance of winning.Alpha

[Vatche 0]

hachem being dominated pre flop dosent really matter, they both had a ton of chips and when all the money went in, dannenman was drawing dead to a chop.not a suck-out.

[gkunit20 1]

My god, do I need to say it again?

Harrington, in HOH:Domination is not as bad as it seems in HU play.

[HangukMiguk 8]

My god, do I need to say it again?

guess so

[DWMREP 0]

Church school would be worse than broccoli, I think.

[XXEddie 0]

chris "i won the WSOP with 54 offsuit" moneymakerwasnt really a suckout since he flopped 2 pair but 54 offsuit for gods sakes

do you know how to play heads up?heh, funnyMoneymaker flops to pair with 54 and you critize him for the handyet doyle foes runner-runner boat twice with T2 and you dont say anything

[thatguy 0]

That must have been hell for TJ cloutier to battle back from such a chip deficit against such a good player as Chris ferguson just to get sucked out on when they are back even in chips. I would have jumped off the roof.

[CobaltBlue 662]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Series_..._Event_OverviewI was actually looking at this the other day and filled in all of the losing hands on Wikipedia. You'll notice that between 1995 and 2001, in the final hand, the pre-flop favorite lost. Also, Tomko and Hoff have the dubious distinction of going out while holding AA. The only time that it came down to pair over pair was in 1999 when Goehring's 66 lost to Furlong's 55.

[Foulky 0]

On the final hand in 1980, all the money went in on the turn after Stuey had the nuts. Doyle made a decent sized bet on the flop with top to pair, and I'm assuming Stuey called knowing he would get all of Doyle's chips if he made his hand. I'm almost 100% positive that all the money went in with Doyle only having a 9% chance of winning.Alpha

I thought that may have been the case but i wasn't sure, ty.

[SweetDaddyFreak 0]

If Moneymaker hadn't caught that ace, would me and you be playing right now?

I probably wouldn't be. At the time it was great that Moneymaker won. At this point i wish Ivey would have won because he's so good, but at the same time if Ivey won then i may not have been has interested to care in the long term. Get it?