psujohn 0 Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney (10 man), Big Blind is t60 (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)CO (t850)Button (t4042)Hero (t1270)BB (t1840)UTG (t8758)MP (t3240)Preflop: Hero is SB with Q , K . 1 fold, MP calls t60, 2 folds, Hero raises to t225, 1 fold, MP calls t165.Flop: (t510) 7 , 3 , 5 (2 players)Hero bets t300, MP calls t300.Turn: (t1110) 7 (2 players)Hero pushesI think I have some sort of fundamental misunderstanding of NLHE SNGs. I managed to make the money in 2 of my last 15 or so. It can't be entirely due to bad variance. At any rate this specific hand ...Fold this pf right? Problem is when I play tight PF I end up blinding myself down to push/fold territory by level 4. 225 is my standard bet at 30/60 with one limper. Too much? Too little? Irrelevant since I should fold?On the flop I cb about 60% of the pot. I tend to value bet 80-90% of the pot. I seriously doubt anyone will see enough hands against me to pick up on that. I vary it more when I get short handed.On the turn I figure I can give up or push. I have like 775 left if I give up which isn't horribly short stacked but will be in a minute or two.I think I mostly lose chips in two spots in these things:- trying to steal with a mediocre hand and refusing to back down in the face of resistance- getting all-in as a favorite Seriously if I would win even half the hands where I have AK vs Arag I'd TP/MM. Link to post Share on other sites
HtotheNootch 0 Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 Yuck!If you want to complete there, I don't have a massive problem. However, this is not a raising hand at this stage of the game. Your M is well over 10 and you have no "first in" vigorish. You don't need to go to war here.Okay, assuming the raise, the guy called PF. He's got something. Now a continuation bet, might not be horrible, but any reasonable bet pot commits you. If you're going to C-Bet, you might as well push. If you want to go all-in on a bluff, that's on you.Personally, I don't hate the Tight-Early, push a lot late strategy. I play Turbos because I feel that my edge is in the short-handed, low M, "bubble" phase. That's a matter of personal opinion, and I'm sure others will disagree with me. Link to post Share on other sites
choic 0 Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 Definitely complete the bb here. No need to raise out of position at 60 blinds. Fold if you flop nothing. You lose 30 chips, that is all. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 preflop blowsand yes...they are beatable.oddly for me, the 20's and 30's more so Link to post Share on other sites
Kangaroo 0 Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 preflop blowsand yes...they are beatable.oddly for me, the 20's and 30's more soi agree Link to post Share on other sites
duvie55 0 Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 i agreeDitto. It is very strange but for some reason the players are worse at the 20's and 30's. I struggled for a while with 10's but the 6 handed 13's are extremly easy if you don't want to bump up. Link to post Share on other sites
Mashchit 0 Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 I think I have some sort of fundamental misunderstanding of NLHE SNGs. I managed to make the money in 2 of my last 15 or so. It can't be entirely due to bad variance. At any rate this specific hand ...Fold this pf right? Problem is when I play tight PF I end up blinding myself down to push/fold territory by level 4. 225 is my standard bet at 30/60 with one limper. Too much? Too little? Irrelevant since I should fold?I think folding or calling are both fine pf. I don't like raising because (as already mentioned by others) you've got no first in vig and the likely result is you're going to end up out of position with a caller and no idea of where you are in the hand. And it could cost you a lot to find out.I'd work on improving your push/fold play too so that you are pushing in the right places.I also think that if you're going to raise (and I wouldn't) then you need to raise more here, perhaps to 300. Link to post Share on other sites
psujohn 0 Posted May 22, 2006 Author Share Posted May 22, 2006 So limp PF, C/F this flop and live on with an M around 12. Probably better.My problem comes from the fact that villain did not have a hand. I think every decision he made was a poor one. Yet he wins the pot with A high. After calling off over a third of his stack with no pair no draw. Oh well. Never try to understand the donks, eh? Link to post Share on other sites
Mashchit 0 Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 So limp PF, C/F this flop and live on with an M around 12. Probably better.My problem comes from the fact that villain did not have a hand. I think every decision he made was a poor one. Yet he wins the pot with A high. After calling off over a third of his stack with no pair no draw. Oh well. Never try to understand the donks, eh?I'm sure that he thought calling you with the best hand was a good decision, not a poor one. Still, I know what you mean.Yes, I think you live on with an M of 12 and wait for a hand where no-one's shown any interest. Link to post Share on other sites
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