darkrider88 0 Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 I was surfing cardplayer a little and saw this "pokerquiz", and didn't agree with the answer they gave. "QuestionA $10-$20 game. You are in early position having the Jh-Js and raise an early limper. A middle player, the big blind, and the limper call. There is $85 in the pot and four players. The flop is: 8d-7d-3d, giving you an overpair. The big blind checks and the early limper bets. What do you do?AnswerCall. With the board flopping all of one suit, it would be out of line for you to raise. If another diamond appears, your hand is instantly dead, unless it is specifically the J. Call and await developments. If a blank comes on the turn and you are checked to, then you can bet. Otherwise, you may be glad you just called."I'm thinking that the right play here is to raise, for a couple of reasons.1. I could easily have the best hand right now, as my opponent could be drawing with the naked ace, and I want to hurt his odds.2. It helps drive out the other players, which can lead to me being heads-up in position.3. If I flat call, I learn nothing about the opener's hand, where if I raise, especially when the bet is only 10, I learn a lot about the hand.4. If a diamond falls and my opponent checks, I can represent the Ad pretty easily in this spot (a semibluff raise on the flop would make sense).Opinions? Do you agree or disagree Link to post Share on other sites
The Nuts 0 Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 I would definitely raise here as well. Link to post Share on other sites
mkeller3086 0 Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 I don't think calling is a bad play here really, as long as you have intentions of raising a safe turn if the same bettor leads again. Look at it this way...If you raise there is 115 in the pot and the opponents behind you have to call two cold, thats 115-20 or 5.75-1. By calling they are not making a mistake and you really aren't doing anything to protect your hand. The only advantage I really see in a raise here is to get something like KQ with no diamonds to fold. This increases your chance of winning with just that pair of jacks.Wait for a safe turn to raise here seems better because you get a chance to force your opponents behind you to call two big bets (thus making it more likely that they are making a mistake in calling with just a flush draw or whatever else they are holding. Plus you are less tied to the pot when you wait for the turn. The hand is easy to dump if a diamond or a bad overcard comes.When you have a vulnerable hand like this, even though u might be ahead now I think its better to wait for the turn when your equity goes way up and you have a chance to let your opponents make mistakes which earn you more money. Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 It wouldnt be the first time cardplayer has had crappy advice posted. Link to post Share on other sites
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