What Do You Think About Hoyt (easyh) Corkins All In Here?

[themadmike 0]

PokerStars Game #4867191075: Tournament #23513895, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVI (15000/30000) - 2006/05/07 - 23:34:01 (ET)Table '23513895 539' 9-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: easyH (824938 in chips) Seat 2: MountainMan9 (215280 in chips) Seat 3: chrisb07 (851454 in chips) Seat 4: USDLAW (272318 in chips) Seat 5: Eternauta (616781 in chips) Seat 7: whito1212 (823940 in chips) Seat 8: Billiam80 (248968 in chips) Seat 9: Tango7 (731397 in chips) easyH: posts the ante 1500MountainMan9: posts the ante 1500chrisb07: posts the ante 1500USDLAW: posts the ante 1500Eternauta: posts the ante 1500whito1212: posts the ante 1500Billiam80: posts the ante 1500Tango7: posts the ante 1500MountainMan9: posts small blind 15000chrisb07: posts big blind 30000*** HOLE CARDS ***USDLAW: folds Eternauta: folds whito1212: folds Billiam80: folds Tango7: folds easyH: raises 60000 to 90000MountainMan9: folds chrisb07: raises 240000 to 330000easyH: raises 493438 to 823438 and is all-inchrisb07: calls 493438*** FLOP *** [Jc 4d Td]*** TURN *** [Jc 4d Td] [9s]*** RIVER *** [Jc 4d Td 9s] [Kh]*** SHOW DOWN ***chrisb07: shows [Ks Ad] (a pair of Kings)easyH: shows [Ts Ac] (a pair of Tens)chrisb07 collected 1673876 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 1673876 | Rake 0 Board [Jc 4d Td 9s Kh]Seat 1: easyH (button) showed [Ts Ac] and lost with a pair of TensSeat 2: MountainMan9 (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 3: chrisb07 (big blind) showed [Ks Ad] and won (1673876) with a pair of KingsSeat 4: USDLAW folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: Eternauta folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: whito1212 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: Billiam80 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: Tango7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)easyH ELiminted ...would have had the chip lead.............so what you think abou wpt champion hoyt corkins ...pushing with A10 ???

[aucu 3]

That's his way. Play hard.Still took home $3009

[Fluffdog87 2]

PokerStars Game #4867191075: Tournament #23513895, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVI (15000/30000) - 2006/05/07 - 23:34:01 (ET)Table '23513895 539' 9-max Seat #1 is the buttonSeat 1: easyH (824938 in chips) Seat 2: MountainMan9 (215280 in chips) Seat 3: chrisb07 (851454 in chips) Seat 4: USDLAW (272318 in chips) Seat 5: Eternauta (616781 in chips) Seat 7: whito1212 (823940 in chips) Seat 8: Billiam80 (248968 in chips) Seat 9: Tango7 (731397 in chips) easyH: posts the ante 1500MountainMan9: posts the ante 1500chrisb07: posts the ante 1500USDLAW: posts the ante 1500Eternauta: posts the ante 1500whito1212: posts the ante 1500Billiam80: posts the ante 1500Tango7: posts the ante 1500MountainMan9: posts small blind 15000chrisb07: posts big blind 30000*** HOLE CARDS ***USDLAW: folds Eternauta: folds whito1212: folds Billiam80: folds Tango7: folds easyH: raises 60000 to 90000MountainMan9: folds chrisb07: raises 240000 to 330000easyH: raises 493438 to 823438 and is all-inchrisb07: calls 493438*** FLOP *** [Jc 4d Td]*** TURN *** [Jc 4d Td] [9s]*** RIVER *** [Jc 4d Td 9s] [Kh]*** SHOW DOWN ***chrisb07: shows [Ks Ad] (a pair of Kings)easyH: shows [Ts Ac] (a pair of Tens)chrisb07 collected 1673876 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 1673876 | Rake 0 Board [Jc 4d Td 9s Kh]Seat 1: easyH (button) showed [Ts Ac] and lost with a pair of TensSeat 2: MountainMan9 (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 3: chrisb07 (big blind) showed [Ks Ad] and won (1673876) with a pair of KingsSeat 4: USDLAW folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: Eternauta folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: whito1212 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: Billiam80 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: Tango7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)easyH ELiminted ...would have had the chip lead.............so what you think abou wpt champion hoyt corkins ...pushing with A10 ???

The play clearly bombed.He knows hes going to almost always get called here.Its a miricle he does as well as he does if he always made plays like this.That being said this was just clearly a brain fart of epic proportions.Easy fold.

[mrdannyg 274]

maybe simplistic first-level thinking is why i bubble in freerolls and this guy final tables WPT events.

gimme a F,F!you got your F you got your Fgimme a Y,Y!you got your Y you got your Ygimme a P,P!you got your P you got your P

[turd ferguson 1]

gimme a F,F!you got your F you got your Fgimme a Y,Y!you got your Y you got your Ygimme a P,P!you got your P you got your P

LOL. Very nice. I was going to write something very similar. You really sent it home with the cheer at the end though.

[HangukMiguk 8]

gimme a F,F!you got your F you got your Fgimme a Y,Y!you got your Y you got your Ygimme a P,P!you got your P you got your P

best.FYP.ever

[Alpha1494 0]

Honestly, after seeing Hoyt play on TV, its amazing to me to see how he actually does well in some of the events he plays in. He has got to be the luckiest guy on the face of the planet. In the WPT event from a couple years ago, he made a donkey play and made perfect running 7's (with J7) to bust Phil Hellmuth's J9 on a flop that came 9-X-X. In the WSOP tournament of Champions, he was all in with QQ vs. AA and spiked a Q on the turn to cripple some guy. In the 2005 US Poker Championship he was all-in preflop with 78o against J-Dags 10-10. I'm sorry, I just don't like Hoyt. I think his overall play is weak, and I've never actually see him play well over the course of a whole tournament. He seems to make all these donkey plays in late situations in tournaments and he gets lucky. I'll give Hoyt some respect whenever he doesn't try and donk off all his hard earned chips late in a tournament.Alpha

[brvheart 1,757]

going all in with a 3 outer against you... sounds pretty good to me.

[xtxoxpxd 0]

Honestly, after seeing Hoyt play on TV, its amazing to me to see how he actually does well in some of the events he plays in. He has got to be the luckiest guy on the face of the planet. In the WPT event from a couple years ago, he made a donkey play and made perfect running 7's (with J7) to bust Phil Hellmuth's J9 on a flop that came 9-X-X. In the WSOP tournament of Champions, he was all in with QQ vs. AA and spiked a Q on the turn to cripple some guy. In the 2005 US Poker Championship he was all-in preflop with 78o against J-Dags 10-10. I'm sorry, I just don't like Hoyt. I think his overall play is weak, and I've never actually see him play well over the course of a whole tournament. He seems to make all these donkey plays in late situations in tournaments and he gets lucky. I'll give Hoyt some respect whenever he doesn't try and donk off all his hard earned chips late in a tournament.Alpha

do you know how phil played the 9-X-X hand?? bet/call the flop after hoyt tried to steal it. checks the turn. bet/call the river with the worst hand. the ONLY mistake hoyt made (in retrospect) was raising the flop, which can hardly even be considered a "mistake".you sound the kind of person who folds every hand on the bubble in SNGs and complain about how all the morons keep pushing and getting lucky when the average chip stack is 8X the big blind. also when you push all in after you're stack has shrinked to 2X bb, you complain about getting busted by the big blind's 75o.

[timwakefield 68]

Honestly, after seeing Hoyt play on TV, its amazing to me to see how he actually does well in some of the events he plays in. In the WSOP tournament of Champions, he was all in with QQ vs. AA and spiked a Q on the turn to cripple some guy. Alpha

All in with QQ? What a donkey.

[jefferey 0]

The play clearly bombed.He knows hes going to almost always get called here.Its a miricle he does as well as he does if he always made plays like this.That being said this was just clearly a brain fart of epic proportions.Easy fold.

Here's a thought - assuming he has a read that this guy is a TAG player capable of re-raising and then folding with his tournament life on the line, he probably figured there were four hands he would call with, and he happened to have one of them. He probably built his stack up in the first place making plays like this. I agree he often appears donkish on final tables, but there is no question he is doing something right to consistently make his way deep.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

Some real amazing poker minds on this forum--Fluffdog.

[turd ferguson 1]

Honestly, after seeing Hoyt play on TV, its amazing to me to see how he actually does well in some of the events he plays in. He has got to be the luckiest guy on the face of the planet. In the WPT event from a couple years ago, he made a donkey play and made perfect running 7's (with J7) to bust Phil Hellmuth's J9 on a flop that came 9-X-X. In the WSOP tournament of Champions, he was all in with QQ vs. AA and spiked a Q on the turn to cripple some guy. In the 2005 US Poker Championship he was all-in preflop with 78o against J-Dags 10-10. I'm sorry, I just don't like Hoyt. I think his overall play is weak, and I've never actually see him play well over the course of a whole tournament. He seems to make all these donkey plays in late situations in tournaments and he gets lucky. I'll give Hoyt some respect whenever he doesn't try and donk off all his hard earned chips late in a tournament.Alpha

Clearly, you have a large enough sample size to make this assessment.

[iggymcfly 0]

To be fair, I can't imagine that Hoyt has any fold equity against the BB in this kind of situation. He's committed 40% of his stack, he's obviously going with it. The only thing I can think is that Hoyt thought the fact that the BB made a middling raise instead of going all-in here was a play to represent strength when he didn't want a call. Obviously, he made a bad read in this spot, but I think he's reraising because he thinks that his AT's good here, not because he thinks the BB might fold JJ as jefferey implied. With that being said, I think Hoyt would have to have something pretty specific on this one player to make that read, because around the $100 level (one lower than this, I know), I don't see this reraise very often without at least AT or a pocket pair.

[cu in 4years Dan 1]

hoyt is agressive by style. it is his play and i think it suits him and his image

[lew189 0]

Here's a thought - assuming he has a read that this guy is a TAG player capable of re-raising and then folding with his tournament life on the line, he probably figured there were four hands he would call with, and he happened to have one of them. He probably built his stack up in the first place making plays like this. I agree he often appears donkish on final tables, but there is no question he is doing something right to consistently make his way deep.

Hmmm. I think you may be onto something here, Jefferey...

[Mercury69 3]

even I don't make that call...

[NicksDad1970 0]

going all in with a 3 outer against you... sounds pretty good to me.

I may be the one missing something here but I believe they got their money in PF. So he'd be a 3-1 dog. But ya the other guy was a 7% after the turn.

[Mercury69 3]

True, but if you get a guy re-raising you All-in preflop, chances are pretty good that he's got AK or AQ or a pocket pair better than 9's. If AK or AQ, you, sir, are dominated and your AT is an easy laydown. Truly a donk move, unless Ol' Hoyt had some info on the bettor.

[irishguy 14]

True, but if you get a guy re-raising you All-in preflop, chances are pretty good that he's got AK or AQ or a pocket pair better than 9's. If AK or AQ, you, sir, are dominated and your AT is an easy laydown. Truly a donk move, unless Ol' Hoyt had some info on the bettor.

Hoyt didn't call an all-in with the A 10 he was reraised and the he pushed, there is a big difference here. Hoyt had been playing really tight for the last few levels and perhaps thought if he wasn't in the lead buddy would respect his all-in and lay it down. Its always easier to judge the play when you know the outcome.

[MasterLJ 0]

going all in with a 3 outer against you... sounds pretty good to me.

QFT.If you've got your opponent pegged on AQ/AK low pp, why not push here?

[Mercury69 3]

Hoyt didn't call an all-in with the A 10 he was reraised and the he pushed, there is a big difference here. Hoyt had been playing really tight for the last few levels and perhaps thought if he wasn't in the lead buddy would respect his all-in and lay it down. Its always easier to judge the play when you know the outcome.

Yeah, I see, misread the betting sequence. But, with a re-raise like Hoyt faced, wouldn't you put the guy on AQ AK? Or a high PP? I would, but I wasn't at the table, so I have no clue how the other guy was operating. Nonetheless, pushing into a re-raise like that with an easily dominated hand is still donk-ish, IMO.

[Pivvy2001 0]

Yeah, I see, misread the betting sequence. But, with a re-raise like Hoyt faced, wouldn't you put the guy on AQ AK? Or a high PP? I would, but I wasn't at the table, so I have no clue how the other guy was operating. Nonetheless, pushing into a re-raise like that with an easily dominated hand is still donk-ish, IMO.

Its not only that. Note that Hoyt had only committed ten percent of his stack on his initial raise (not forty percent as someone else suggested on here). It should be within a poker pro's ability to lay down a marginal raising hand A10o (a good hand, but far from a true premium hand) in such a situation, especially with the stakes and the timing.Hoyt might have thought the other guy would lay down to the reraise, but this just seems like a stubborn play. And as for the odds after the turn, you really can't evaluate things like that, as the money was all in preflop, so there wasnt any betting and reacting there. Although it is notable that a Q would also have saved chris.The other thing that I find most surprising about the play is that Hoyt was in fourth place at the time of this hand and while he might not be as concerned about the money as some others involved in the tourney, the final table has a substantial premium, so making such a loose play here really is nonsensical.The other thing is that for all of the people getting irate because of the attack of Hoyt's play here; I am not saying Hoyt is a crappy player, though others would argue he is. I am merely saying that this hand was played terribly.

[JBradburn6 0]

The play clearly bombed.He knows hes going to almost always get called here.Its a miricle he does as well as he does if he always made plays like this.That being said this was just clearly a brain fart of epic proportions.Easy fold.

No, it's a miricle I one the spelling be in fourth grade.

[irishguy 14]

Yeah, I see, misread the betting sequence. But, with a re-raise like Hoyt faced, wouldn't you put the guy on AQ AK? Or a high PP? I would, but I wasn't at the table, so I have no clue how the other guy was operating. Nonetheless, pushing into a re-raise like that with an easily dominated hand is still donk-ish, IMO.

i agree I wouldn't have felt the hand was good either and he should've been able to get away from it. But I think that table image could've been a key factor here as I said Hoyt had been super tight and could've figured his image would force the other guy to lay down almost anything. If the other guy lays that down Hoyt moves into a pretty big lead at that point. In fourth place with that little committed to the pot he certainly could've found a better spot to get all his money in but who really knows what if anything was going through his mind.