$400nl

[Jordan 1]

$400NL 9 handedHow would you play it?No real reads on sb ($390) (newish), hasn't been out of line.utg fold, utg+1 limips, 3 folds, hero ($361) limps btn w 8 6 , sb completes, bb checks.FLOP :: 9 T 7 ($14)sb checks, bb bets $6, utg+1 folds, Hero calls $6, sb raises $24, bb folds, hero calls $18.TURN :: 9 ($70)sb bets $45, hero callsRIVER :: A ($160)sb bets $120, hero calls.--thoughts on all streets fine, dont be a nit about preflop. Give range you'd put him on, if possible. Thanks.- Jordan

[GrinderMJ 0]

No major problem with limping, preflop i pretty much see each to their own skill level. Flop I don't mind the smooth call, but when the sb raises you should be raising to about 100ish. If he pushes, I vomit and call. If he smooth calls I push turnEdit: I fold to fourbet on flop

[nomad_monad 0]

Used to seeing you play faster, so it's kind of strange to see you play this as passively as you did. Hand range for villain:99, 77, 10-9, 9-7, 9-6, Ah9h, Kh9h, J8, J9, 89, 68, A10, maybe 1010. Discounting QJ and 88 which may have been possible up to the turn, but would take someone that's pretty crazy or ballsy to fire on the river on that board with you calling down all the way. Hard to know if the full house hands he could have are less likely given that he bet the turn without a decent read. Many people would elect to check the turn and now slowplay, although you have to consider that the villain might think you're drawing and is seeking to build the pot now in case the river bricks.I probably would've reraised the SB on the flop. But I think I can understand why you played it the way you did. If you raise the flop, you could get reraised OR called by a big draw here (OESD + flush), a higher straight, or even a set. On the turn it gets even more problematic, since a call/raise could be coming from trip 9s, a house, or again a higher straight. So the chances are good that even if you do raise at any point in the hand, your visibility could still be very low with the added difficulty of now being further committed to the pot. Your hand has a lot of showdown value, so once the turn pairs, it doesn't seem like a bad idea to stay in calldown mode.

[petersun 0]

It's hard to believe the villian wouldn't raise this with 10s, I can see him calling with 7s, or 9s but I think he might raise to isolate with 9s maybe 50 percent of the time.I keep feeling he has 10-9 or 9-7 or possibily 10-7. You hope the third, but the first two are more likely. It's also possible he has 6-8, J-8 or Ah9h. He could make this play with 8h9h but I am not sure if $120 would drive someone off on the river and so that has me feeling like it's not 8h9h.I would probably reraise the flop (80% of the time), I know I have the 2nd nut straight and I want to know if I'm good, and prevent the smaller draws and take control of the hand. I'd pop it up to $120 and get some more info. However, given your call (which I also understand and would do some of the time myself), I'd play the turn and river like you did. I think both calls are perfectly in line. That 9 makes me sick.

[Jordan 1]

if the SB checks the turn are you guys taking the lead? or are we fearful of a check/raise here?I don't think I played this hand optimally, but given that I didn't have much of a strong read on the SB, once the board paired I decided to simply call down.Also, lets assume the pot is the same on the river, would we be calling an overbet of say $200 or greater?or, if we raise the flop, and are re-raised for our entire stack, do we lay this down?- Jordan

[Kaedin 0]

if the SB checks the turn are you guys taking the lead? or are we fearful of a check/raise here?I don't think I played this hand optimally, but given that I didn't have much of a strong read on the SB, once the board paired I decided to simply call down.Also, lets assume the pot is the same on the river, would we be calling an overbet of say $200 or greater?or, if we raise the flop, and are re-raised for our entire stack, do we lay this down?- Jordan

I think the only way to play it optimally is to maybe get all the money in on the flop, when i think you have the best hand. =/ Here's the problem.. I think the 9 on the turn kills your hand. If he had T9, he filled. If he had 97 he filled. If he had 77, 99 or TT, you're dead. I guess other than a split, J8, or Ah 8h, what can he play like this? What can you beat? Im not sure. well.. you did play it real passive. AT? The problem is, the SB check raises that flop (usually 2pr or a set) and the 2nd 9 never slows him down. I think we're beat.

[Stewdio 0]

As far as the way this hand went down, I think the way you played it was great. I think that he either has J-8, 10-9, 7-9, or a lot of other hands that you have beat. If you prefer to take away postflop play, another raise on the flop would've been in order, but I prefer to call and see what happens. My read is that one of 2 things happened though: 1. the 9 killed you and you avoided busting...or my guess which is 2. he had something like 10's or a busted flush and he kept betting thinking you were drawing as well because you didn't ever raise. Or he has 8-6, and again you don't lose. How did it really turn out?Yes, I would bet out if the turn is checked...but a check raise would probably make me lay it down. I'd call an overbet on the river due to it's being consistent with him missing a flush or having another weak hand. I would also called if he pushed all in on the flop. That would indicate to me that he's not quite as comfortable with you drawing at his hand as I think he'd probably be with the nut straight. You re-re-raising doesn't really say flush draw to him, which is what he should be most worried about.

[nomad_monad 0]

if the SB checks the turn are you guys taking the lead? or are we fearful of a check/raise here?Also, lets assume the pot is the same on the river, would we be calling an overbet of say $200 or greater?or, if we raise the flop, and are re-raised for our entire stack, do we lay this down?- Jordan

answering your questions in order:1) i think i check behind on the turn, and then prepare myself to call a decent sized river bet. what hand checks here that check-raises the flop out of position against 2 opponents that we would be concerned about giving a free card to? if the villain is aggressively playing a draw that is partly a heart draw, it wouldn't make sense for him to suddenly get passive on the turn. 2) without a read on the villian, i would fold to a river overbet (assuming the villain bet the turn and you called). there are too many hands that you are behind to that could be doing this since you've displayed sufficient strength by calling down on such a scary board. made hands that you could beat wouldn't bet like this. a busted draw is a possibility, but given the action and hand ranges, i think it's the least likeliest scenario. if this is indeed the case, this guy will spew his chips to you later.3) i hate this, but without a read i think i fold to a villain all-in reraise on the flop. you smooth call, he raises, you reraise, he pushes. the story you are telling with your hand is "i have a hand strong enough to slowplay but now that you're raising i am going to raise to protect/for value" which basically means that the villain has to be extremely strong here for him to be pushing now. a set is possible (and even then he'd only be roughly a 2-1 dog to you), but i think it far likelier that he has the nut str8, the same str8 with a flush draw as well (6h8h), the same str8, or a monster draw like QJ of hearts. you're a dog to the first two, chop with the 3rd, and are a very slight favorite against the 4th (since you have an 8, giving QJ of hearts ony 14 outs instead of 15). if the villain pushes a flop reraise from you, you'll be getting something like 1.5-1, which translates to about 40% equity. I'm too lazy to do the math, but given the hand ranges and the likelihood of each, I think your probable equity is less than that. but i think it's really close.

[krup24 0]

$400NL 9 handedHow would you play it?No real reads on sb ($390) (newish), hasn't been out of line.utg fold, utg+1 limips, 3 folds, hero ($361) limps btn w 8 6 , sb completes, bb checks.FLOP :: 9 T 7 ($14)sb checks, bb bets $6, utg+1 folds, Hero calls $6, sb raises $24, bb folds, hero calls $18.TURN :: 9 ($70)sb bets $45, hero callsRIVER :: A ($160)sb bets $120, hero calls.--thoughts on all streets fine, dont be a nit about preflop. Give range you'd put him on, if possible. Thanks.- Jordan

1) I don't like calling this pf on the button. This is an insta fold. If you wanna do anything you raise here no limping w/ this trash. 2) Since you did limp and are only behind one hand we definitely cannot let this flop go without reraising before SB reraises. Since we didn't reraise we have no clue where we are. SB can easily have 2 pair and boated up on the turn and we could definitely be drawing dead or obviously 8J or the same hand as you.3) Now if we had some reads on the SB and could justify him making these bets w/ a flush draw maybe with the ace he hit on the river then ur calling is fine.4) I would probably play the hand the same as you and pray he turns up A4 hearts.

[MasterLJ 0]

Jam the flop to the raise. In fact, I wouldn't have even called the initial bet, I would have raised.There's so many draws to better hands, plus your opponent has already shown that they like their hand enough to commit themselves.Flopped straights do not improve, get your money in when you know you're ahead.

[NoSup4U 0]

1) I don't like calling this pf on the button. This is an insta fold. If you wanna do anything you raise here no limping w/ this trash.

??? I like raising here too, but I at least call. Its the button! Plus, you could really pound a UTG AA limper type here with a good flop. If nobody has called, or maybe CO calls, I raise here. If not, I call. Mark

[Jordan 1]

Alright, I think we've got enough responses on the proper play from btn. I like it.Now lets throw this in...I was actually the SB in the hand, not on the button.We still don't know who won the hand...I personally think the button misplayed his hand a lot, primarily by not raising preflop, by not re-raising the flop/turn, although I later found he seemed to be a nut peddler...Does knowing I'm the SB change any thoughts or do we play this pretty much the same against an unknown (the same being more aggressive on the flop/turn). Or do we slow down to a dangerous board with aggressive betting on all streets? (how he played it)- Jordan

[MasterLJ 0]

Alright, I think we've got enough responses on the proper play from btn. I like it.Now lets throw this in...I was actually the SB in the hand, not on the button.We still don't know who won the hand...I personally think the button misplayed his hand a lot, primarily by not raising preflop, by not re-raising the flop/turn, although I later found he seemed to be a nut peddler...Does knowing I'm the SB change any thoughts or do we play this pretty much the same against an unknown (the same being more aggressive on the flop/turn). Or do we slow down to a dangerous board with aggressive betting on all streets? (how he played it)- Jordan

Absolutely it changes things. If I'm the SB I'm leading out and playing just as fast as my opponents will let me. I still advocate jamming the flop if given the chance though.

[Jordan 1]

Absolutely it changes things. If I'm the SB I'm leading out and playing just as fast as my opponents will let me. I still advocate jamming the flop if given the chance though.

You mean the real me? As in the sb, whom we don't know his cards?or jamming the flop as the btn (i think that's what you meant) if given a chance (which i did with my re-raise on the flop)?- Jordan

[MasterLJ 0]

You mean the real me? As in the sb, whom we don't know his cards?or jamming the flop as the btn (i think that's what you meant) if given a chance (which i did with my re-raise on the flop)?- Jordan

I'm sorry... I'm not all together today... first day with out nicotine in a long long time.For whatever reason I read it as "you have 86 in SB."

[Jordan 1]

I'm sorry... I'm not all together today... first day with out nicotine in a long long time.For whatever reason I read it as "you have 86 in SB."

nooo..i posted as hero being the btn with 86o, I was actually in the SB though, and my hand is still unknown.btn still has 86o, but he is the real villian, I'm actually the SB.- Jordan

[Kaedin 0]

nooo..i posted as hero being the btn with 86o, I was actually in the SB though, and my hand is still unknown.btn still has 86o, but he is the real villian, I'm actually the SB.- Jordan

I still dont know what BTN can beat here. Therefore, I dont like the way he played it. I prefer to just get it all in on the flop if I'm button. I know you're aggressive and what not, but Im not sure what you're betting here if it doesnt beat 86. A missed draw? I dunno.

[MasterLJ 0]

I still dont know what BTN can beat here. Therefore, I dont like the way he played it. I prefer to just get it all in on the flop if I'm button. I know you're aggressive and what not, but Im not sure what you're betting here if it doesnt beat 86. A missed draw? I dunno.

A shot in the dark would be 9h8h or possibly QhJh that had to bet the river as the only method of winning.

[krup24 0]

Button holds AT, only logical hand I can see. A set hes raising the turn and pushing the river.I like ur play

[Jordan 1]

Button holds AT, only logical hand I can see. A set hes raising the turn and pushing the river.I like ur play

button still has 86 krup.I'm in the sb, we don't know my cards. I posted this hand from perspective of button...claiming to be him..but i was acutally the SB in this hand. lol..again, my real hand, in the sb..is still unknown...button has 86o.- Jordan

A shot in the dark would be 9h8h or possibly QhJh that had to bet the river as the only method of winning.

Wouldn't 89h in this spot in the sb perhaps think trips 9s are good on this board, with so little aggression shown from the button?- Jordan

[XXEddie 0]

I painfully PAINFULLY PAINFULLY muck unless I can put villian on AT. His river tells me that he doesnt mind the A. Either he already has a boat, a str8, or just filled up with A9

[Jordan 1]

I painfully PAINFULLY PAINFULLY muck unless I can put villian on AT. His river tells me that he doesnt mind the A. Either he already has a boat, a str8, or just filled up with A9

A 9 then from sb?- Jordan

[MasterLJ 0]

button still has 86 krup.Wouldn't 89h in this spot in the sb perhaps think trips 9s are good on this board, with so little aggression shown from the button?- Jordan

Those were the 2 hands I threw out, 8h9h **OR** QhJh. If it were QJ then you'd have to bet to win on the river. If it were 89 you'd think trips were good.

[Jordan 1]

Alright, seems we got a good amount of responses on the buttons play (which again was not me, I just posted from his perspective).Now for my hand in the SB.I was holding the 8 9 The turn really got me liking my hand, especially with his cold call just on the flop. I was hoping he perhaps had T8, or maybe an OESD like myself. I also thought it was possible he had an ace high flush draw, and thus on the river paired his ace and would pay off a river bet.With that being said, do most of you play my big draw the same on the flop, then hittting trips on the turn and "bricking" on the river the same?I was quite sure I had the best hand on the river, but when I saw the pot go the other way I wasn't sure if I was a little over zealous on the river. I don't think I was (overzealous) but I'm curious to hear other thoughts.- Jordan

[MasterLJ 0]

Alright, seems we got a good amount of responses on the buttons play (which again was not me, I just posted from his perspective).Now for my hand in the SB.I was holding the 8 9 The turn really got me liking my hand, especially with his cold call just on the flop. I was hoping he perhaps had T8, or maybe an OESD like myself. I also thought it was possible he had an ace high flush draw, and thus on the river paired his ace and would pay off a river bet.With that being said, do most of you play my big draw the same on the flop, then hittting trips on the turn and "bricking" on the river the same?I was quite sure I had the best hand on the river, but when I saw the pot go the other way I wasn't sure if I was a little over zealous on the river. I don't think I was (overzealous) but I'm curious to hear other thoughts.- Jordan

You played it extremely well imo.