Bootcamp, Will It Really Help?

[Zippy Cootie 0]

just curious if anyone here has attended a wpt bootcamp, or something similar? If so what was so great or terrible about it? Thinking about going to Foxwoods for next weekends boot camp and would appreciate any insights, thanks,

[MikeR 0]

Why waste all that money for a day of sngs and some classes? Why don't you do what this guy did?He played at pokerstars.net to work on his game. It's free and will help you with your game. Good luck.

[DNIQUE420 0]

THAT IS A WASTE TO PAY ABOUT 1500 BUCKS FOR SOME TOURNEYS THAT DONT PAY OUT VERY WELL DO WHAT THE OTHER GUY SAYS FIND A POKER SITE AND LEARN THAT WAY

[socalpoker_j 1]

I saw a torrent of one of Howard Lederer's Camp from Torrentspy.... it was a bunch of his seminars and sessions. You can just download the seminars online if thats what you are looking for.

[nutzbuster 7]

If you have to ask you probably could use it. Go if your relatively new and have the cash. It sure as he ll won't hurt you any.

[Mercury69 3]

Mike R, your sig is cool and gay at the same time. I feel conflicted.

[hblask 1]

I asked this same question a couple of weeks ago, search for that thread. My wife is sending me to one in June. I hope to report back then. There are several good articles on it online. The general consensus: if you think it's going to "pay for itself" with what you learn, no probably not. If you look at it as yet another way to improve your game and have some fun doing it, and you can afford the steep fees, go for it.Look at it this way: if you play golf and take lessons at a community ed classes, you might learn enough to get out on the course and not embarrass yourself. If you spend the same amount of time with a private instructor, you will be much much better. You still won't beat Tiger Woods, you probably won't even beat James Woods, but if you love the game, how can it be bad? WPT camp is more like a private instructor, and an adventure besides. In the end, nothing beats a cycle of experience/study/experience/study/etc for improving your game. This counts as one of the "study" sessions, only exceptionally intense.

[Zippy Cootie 0]

I saw a post a couple of weeks ago where someone was asking if someone would sweat him in a tournament and he would split the buy in or something like that and it got me thinking that maybe that would be helpful, or if someone could help put the lessons in practice. I seem to be in a bad place playing wise, (read: losing money) and thought some practical help would be useful. I feel like there is some disconnect with my poker playing. I have read almost every book I can get my hands on, and thought maybe the boot camp would be a good move, it was a friends suggestion. Any insight as to what you really get out of it would be great or any other suggestions as to what you have done would be appreciated.

[Nichols 0]

I saw a post a couple of weeks ago where someone was asking if someone would sweat him in a tournament and he would split the buy in or something like that and it got me thinking that maybe that would be helpful, or if someone could help put the lessons in practice. I seem to be in a bad place playing wise, (read: losing money) and thought some practical help would be useful. I feel like there is some disconnect with my poker playing. I have read almost every book I can get my hands on, and thought maybe the boot camp would be a good move, it was a friends suggestion. Any insight as to what you really get out of it would be great or any other suggestions as to what you have done would be appreciated.

I attended the Howard Lederer Fantasy Camp last year at the MGM. It was pricey to say the least $4,400 including rooms (luckily I got mine comped and lowered the price to $2,400).Here is what I learned:

1. This camp was all about the 'stars' and not about the players
2. There was about 4 hours total in the three day camp that was poker discussion
3. There were two tourneys as part of it and once you were knocked out there wasn't anything to do
4. Most of the time was spent hearing how great Lederer, Duke, etc were
5. I didn't learn a damn thing about playing better
6. If I had taken that $2,400 and used it to play a whole bunch of sit n' go's and tried different things I would be a much better player today.

I have heard that the WPT camp is much more focused on helping you get through tourneys and have read from some people who attended that they did improve their tourney results...so I think this camp is much better than the Lederer "stars" camp. Just one person's opinion!Good Luck.

[Butcho22 0]

Mike R, your sig is cool and gay at the same time. I feel conflicted.

hahahahaha

[loogie 115]

[thrillsoft 0]

I went to Howard Lederer's Fantasy Camp. It was good. The SNG's are good because they put a pro at every table. They explain a lot about what they're thinking and why they played a hand the way they did and also why the bet a specific amount. Such as "$350 here prices out any draws, doesn't pot commit me and still allows others with a weaker hand than me to call... hands such as....If I were to bet $500 here, then....blah, blah, blah... bad stuff could happen"The lectures give you a lot of information that you can already get from the books but perhaps in a more entertaining way and you can ask questions and provide specific situations and ask them how they might deviate from their "basic strategy" as various circumstances arise.All in all, I'd say the tournaments alone aren't worth it, the lectures alone aren't worth it, but when you put it all together and add the experience of playing with the top pros in the world, it was definitely worth it to me. For example, in the SNG's that I played, I got head's up with Howard Lederer and beat him. I also go head's up with Marcel Luske, Clonie Gowan and Annie Duke and won them all. I either busted out early in my SNG's or I won the whole thing. Definitely a great experience for sure.Hope that helps.

[Butcho22 0]

So we're doing that now?Check THIS out...pretty funny they have all this on the site just about Towlie...

[blakheart 3]

I went to Howard Lederer's Fantasy Camp. It was good. The SNG's are good because they put a pro at every table. They explain a lot about what they're thinking and why they played a hand the way they did and also why the bet a specific amount. Such as "$350 here prices out any draws, doesn't pot commit me and still allows others with a weaker hand than me to call... hands such as....If I were to bet $500 here, then....blah, blah, blah... bad stuff could happen"The lectures give you a lot of information that you can already get from the books but perhaps in a more entertaining way and you can ask questions and provide specific situations and ask them how they might deviate from their "basic strategy" as various circumstances arise.All in all, I'd say the tournaments alone aren't worth it, the lectures alone aren't worth it, but when you put it all together and add the experience of playing with the top pros in the world, it was definitely worth it to me. For example, in the SNG's that I played, I got head's up with Howard Lederer and beat him. I also go head's up with Marcel Luske, Clonie Gowan and Annie Duke and won them all. I either busted out early in my SNG's or I won the whole thing. Definitely a great experience for sure.Hope that helps.

I went to one through an online qualifer on UB last year. I really felt the sit n gos were the best part of the whole weekend. Not only did you have a pro at your table, but they would stop the action and disect a hand right after it happened. Having them help you plug a leak seeing it live is way easier then playing a 100 sit n go's and trying to figure out where you are screwing up. Some of the lectures were good (Phil Gordon, Annie Duke) and some were useless (Marcel Luske).Overall it was a good expierience, if fairly basic. I was actually really impressed with the pro's ability to read the regular joes. In one sit n go I will remember when I checked behind someone on the river when I made my 8 high flush on the same card that made my opponent a broadway straight. Before we flipped over the cards Huck Seed went balistic, calling out both of our hands and berating me for mot making a value bet. I was very blown away.