The Bwaves 0 Posted April 22, 2006 Share Posted April 22, 2006 Location: Viejas Casino, Alpine, CA.Time: 10:00 AMBuy-in: $10 + $2; $2 add-on (500 chips)Table 18 Seat 5Level II (15 Minute Blinds)This hand had three players to the flop.Blinds 50-100, I'm sitting with 1950, opponents: MP+1 = 1500 SB = 6,000Cards are dealt, I'm dealt the 6 5 .I'm in MP it's folded to me. I limp, as does MP+1. The small blind raises to 525. All I know about the SB player is that he's played every hand and has little skill. Your common donk. MP+1 calls the 525 raise also.Now calling this raise leaves me with not much left to work with but great implied odds so I just call the raise hoping for a good flop with suited connectors.Flop: 3 9 4 SB checks.Here's a little added information; the SB always checked his weak/missed flops.When he checks to me here I know I have one player behind me but this isn't a scary board for this table I know that it missed them or am pretty sure.1) Should I execute an all-in squeeze play? Or should I check behind the SB hoping that MP+1 will also check and I get a free card and hope I can take the pot away on the turn?2) What's your play in this spot?*I'll give you all the details and ask another question after I get some feedback* Link to post Share on other sites
gobears 0 Posted April 22, 2006 Share Posted April 22, 2006 Your stack isn't deep enough to get the implied odds which would make it worthwhile to make this type of call. Both you and your opponent need about 24x the BB according to Harrington to make this type of call with small/mid PP and suited connectors.The limp preflop is very loose considering your stack size; fold to the raise preflop.Postflop, you've committed so many chips that your play is to jam with that flop once SB checks the flop, especially based on your read that he doesn't bet when the flop misses him. Not sure how much fold equity you have since MP threw 1/3 of his stack into the pot pre-flop and may feel that he's pot committed.I hope you hit your straight or the backdoor flush draw Link to post Share on other sites
throwemaway 0 Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 You really need to fold pre flop...your calling 1/4 of your stack with 5 6 oop, since mp2 also came along for the ride ? That's really not optimal..Also what is the range you expect to see from SB and mp2..Sb just came in for a 5xish range...Is he an uber donk and could be doin this with a lot? Also what about mp2? Small pair possibly? If so, thats a pretty friendly board and he may not be goin anywhereYour best play now after that is, like gobears said, to jam it as it looks like your gonna get the sb to fold...Fold preflop, really put yourself in a sticky situation here Link to post Share on other sites
GoCryWolfe 0 Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 I don't like the preflop play at all.But, since you got to a flop, I'm pushing. Link to post Share on other sites
HtotheNootch 0 Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 I fold PF even with the caller.If I decide to play without a huge stack, and get that flop, I push immediately. If I play suited connectors I'm hoping for either a flush draw or an OESD. With that stack size I push if I get the desired result - and I did. Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmaster05 0 Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 no sense in waiting for a later street; we assume sb probably has overcards, Mp also possibly.You can literallly double your stack from the start of the hand by going all in now and winning the pot. Def. do that. Link to post Share on other sites
The Bwaves 0 Posted April 24, 2006 Author Share Posted April 24, 2006 I want to thank everyone in advance for your replies. I also want to mention that in this tournament, it's rediculously difficult to make a hand with this blind structure.*To make it known, the SB is UBER-DONK! He threw in the raise because he saw someone else raise to 525 and just grabs a pink chip and tosses it in.*Okay here are the results:The SB checks to me, I of course push for 1,400 more.MP+1 Folds, SB Calls.Now I figured I was in horrible shape, he flips over K 10 !Turn 9 River 4 Board: 3 9 4 9 4 K 10 5 6 I guess my new question is; If I had waited for the board to pair then pushed, do you think that the SB would have folded to a turn push or a river push because of his donkness?Or am I over thinking a terrible play? Link to post Share on other sites
budfox427 0 Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 If he calls there with K-10, he more than likely is calling on the turn as well. You put yourself in a tough spot calling pre-flop, but made the right move on the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
The Bwaves 0 Posted April 24, 2006 Author Share Posted April 24, 2006 If he calls there with K-10, he more than likely is calling on the turn as well. You put yourself in a tough spot calling pre-flop, but made the right move on the flop.My thoughts pre-flop were if I hit my club draw or my OESD that I was going to win a huge pot and be on my way. I could have waited for a better spot but with the blinds going to 100-200 in 3 minutes and players amassing huge chip stacks it was a good a spot as any.But you think he would have called a push on the turn? Link to post Share on other sites
throwemaway 0 Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 I want to thank everyone in advance for your replies. I also want to mention that in this tournament, it's rediculously difficult to make a hand with this blind structure.*To make it known, the SB is UBER-DONK! He threw in the raise because he saw someone else raise to 525 and just grabs a pink chip and tosses it in.*Okay here are the results:The SB checks to me, I of course push for 1,400 more.MP+1 Folds, SB Calls.Now I figured I was in horrible shape, he flips over K 10 !Turn 9 River 4 Board: 3 9 4 9 4 K 10 5 6 I guess my new question is; If I had waited for the board to pair then pushed, do you think that the SB would have folded to a turn push or a river push because of his donkness?Or am I over thinking a terrible play?I guess we learned a valuable lesson here...Do not try semi-bluffing/bluffing a donkey..It just doesn't work, and we are left walking away from the table shaking our headsI guess my new question is; If I had waited for the board to pair then pushed, do you think that the SB would have folded to a turn push or a river push because of his donkness?This is results oriented thinking here..You don't know the board is gonna pair, and you don't know that hes going to call your all in on the flop with King 10...Your pre flop is the major mistake in this hand, and this guy is obviously a huge donkey..Jamming the flop is still the best play here Link to post Share on other sites
The Bwaves 0 Posted April 24, 2006 Author Share Posted April 24, 2006 I guess we learned a valuable lesson here...Do not try semi-bluffing/bluffing a donkey..It just doesn't work, and we are left walking away from the table shaking our headsI guess my new question is; If I had waited for the board to pair then pushed, do you think that the SB would have folded to a turn push or a river push because of his donkness?This is results oriented thinking here..You don't know the board is gonna pair, and you don't know that hes going to call your all in on the flop with King 10...Your pre flop is the major mistake in this hand, and this guy is obviously a huge donkey..Jamming the flop is still the best play hereSir, thank you for giving it to me straight! Much appreciated.This is like a mastercard commercial:Tournament buy in $12Breakfast at the cafe $10Tips to the dealer $4Learning not to semi-bluff a donk in a low buy in tourney, PRICELESS! Link to post Share on other sites
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