Bubba83 0 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 596 entrants.Payout structure:54th through 37th: $20.2837th through 28th: $26.7427th through 19th: $35.9018th through 10th: $60.7224 players left.Blinds 1000/2000 with a 100 ante, playing 8-handed.Button has 39170 in chips.Hero has 22268 in chips.BB has 35480 in chips.Hero is dealt 10h 9h in SB.Folds to Button, He raises to 6000, Hero pushes all-in.Button was fairly aggressive if it folded to him, especially in LP. It looks like he may be trying to steal the blinds here. What do you think of the play? Link to post Share on other sites
gobears 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 Button is getting 1.9-1 on the call so unless he's on a total steal with junk; he should call you.I would probably fold in that situation as I think that there's a good chance button calls and 9 10s doesn't play that well HU. Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba83 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Author Share Posted April 18, 2006 Button is getting 1.9-1 on the call so unless he's on a total steal with junk; he should call you.I would probably fold in that situation as I think that there's a good chance button calls and 9 10s doesn't play that well HU.I didn't calculate the pot odds I would be giving him at the time I made the play, if I had I may not have made the move. But I think many players are not willing to make that call with some hands like A 10 for fear of being dominated and losing a lot of chips. Even though they should include that I may have a hand they are in a race against and call based on the pot odds, I don't think everyone will make the decision at this point based on pot odds. Another thing I forgot to note was that I had a very tight image and had not gone to war with someone else in a showdown situation without the goods.Also, I know most people would fold the 9 10 in this situation, it's what I'd usually do as well, but I wanted to try something different here. Link to post Share on other sites
Bizzle 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 Also, I know most people would fold the 9 10 in this situation, it's what I'd usually do as well, but I wanted to try something different here.*tries to be nice*You got here by playing normally. Don't gear up and make a move just because you feel like you have to. You have close to zero FE here (seriously, he should call you with J10 or Q9 here). Pick a hand in late position and jam with it, preferably not over the top of a raiser. Link to post Share on other sites
mk 11 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 I do this kinda stuff all the time around bubbles if I'm a bigger stack than the guy trying to steal. Doing it in your spot is tough. It works better around the inital bubble. Into the money already you don't have much fe. Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba83 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Author Share Posted April 18, 2006 If he has 22,000 chips, and I have 30,000+, is the move still bad? Link to post Share on other sites
mk 11 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 If he has 22,000 chips, and I have 30,000+, is the move still bad? Depends on how willing you are to be crippled with a weak hand and how much fold equity you think you have. If the blinds are 1k/2k and he raises to 6k, he might fold for 16k more. A stop and go would garner even more fold equity in that spot if you read him for weakness and you want to make a move. Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 I kinda liked it, but it's very dependant on how he views you. If you've been playing normal (semi-tight or tight), he's gotta fold unless he's got a quality hand. Ultimately, that's what it comes down to, for me. But I'm not hitting FT's and you are, so... Link to post Share on other sites
Bizzle 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 I kinda liked it, but it's very dependant on how he views you. If you've been playing normal (semi-tight or tight), he's gotta fold unless he's got a quality hand. Ultimately, that's what it comes down to, for me. But I'm not hitting FT's and you are, so...Um, no. 1.9:1 is close to good enough to call with anything decent. Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba83 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Author Share Posted April 18, 2006 Um, no. 1.9:1 is close to good enough to call with anything decent.It is, and I didn't really think his odds were going to be that good when I made the move. But I really do think people look at the odds he's getting here and say he should call with anything, but that's because we make good pot odds calls like that. If our opponent actually did the math and made the same calculations and decided he should call with almost anything, then why are we even playing these tournaments if we think our average opponents are that good? I have more fold equity than some people might suggest, even though I shouldn't have all that much fold equity if the player knows what is going on.Here come the results!!!Button calls pretty quick and flips over AQ off.Flop Ah Qd 4dTurn Jh (what a card)River 6s =[ Link to post Share on other sites
strategy 4 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 I didn't calculate the pot odds I would be giving him at the time I made the playYou need to figure these things out ahead of time. I usually don't try restealing if I can't make it worse than 1.5:1 on the villain's call with my all-in, and that's probably pushing it a bit.I'm not above stupid pot-odds mistakes though. I made a call a few weeks ago when someone re-raised me all-in, thinking I was getting 2:1. I had 5k, his re-raise was all-in to 4k, but he had put the rest of his stack in so the Stars "Total pot" count or whatever was counting money that wasn't truly in my all-in pot. I have a rule about not playing tired now as a result of that call. Link to post Share on other sites
gobears 0 Posted April 18, 2006 Share Posted April 18, 2006 You need to figure these things out ahead of time. I usually don't try restealing if I can't make it worse than 1.5:1 on the villain's call with my all-in, and that's probably pushing it a bit.I'm not above stupid pot-odds mistakes though. I made a call a few weeks ago when someone re-raised me all-in, thinking I was getting 2:1. I had 5k, his re-raise was all-in to 4k, but he had put the rest of his stack in so the Stars "Total pot" count or whatever was counting money that wasn't truly in my all-in pot. I have a rule about not playing tired now as a result of that call.I've made mistakes too when switching between sites and making lazy calculations...I think that FullTilt doesn't include the bets in the main pot until the betting is done for each round so that you have to add all the pots together.I think Bodog adds each bet into the main pot while showing the bet pot so you can easily "double count" if you add up all the piles.Can't remember how PS and FCP do it.Some sites don't separate out the side pots from the main pot which really makes it a pain in the *** to figure out what is going on. Link to post Share on other sites
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