Suggestions Please...

[ncperrotta069 0]

ok at a local card room i play at in the summer when all my buddies are home for college we usually just play $5 rebuys MTT with like 15-30 people but as we have been discussing this summer instead of playing tourneys everynight a couple times a week we're gonna run cash games.. one of the tables is going to be .50/1 HORSE with the game changing every 30 mins... also during the game change were gonna take a rake.. what do you think is a good amount to take for a $.5/1 game with us taking a rake every 30 mins?

[statedogg 0]

Is this a local card room as you say or a local friend's house? If its a local card room and you can institute your own rake let me know how that goes. If its a friend's house are you providing dealers, TVs, free drinks, and servers? If not why would anyone pay a rake? Not to mention I think raking makes its illeagal for sure.

[Golden 2]

ok at a local card room i play at in the summer when all my buddies are home for college we usually just play $5 rebuys MTT with like 15-30 people but as we have been discussing this summer instead of playing tourneys everynight a couple times a week we're gonna run cash games.. one of the tables is going to be .50/1 HORSE with the game changing every 30 mins... also during the game change were gonna take a rake.. what do you think is a good amount to take for a $.5/1 game with us taking a rake every 30 mins?

Isn't taking a rake illegal?

[ncperrotta069 0]

Is this a local card room as you say or a local friend's house? If its a local card room and you can institute your own rake let me know how that goes. If its a friend's house are you providing dealers, TVs, free drinks, and servers? If not why would anyone pay a rake? Not to mention I think raking makes its illeagal for sure.

its in someones garage and he has games almost everynight which provide food, drinks, and yes their will be dealers

Isn't taking a rake illegal?

yes if u consider it a "rake" its just money to pay for the dealers, electricity, food, drinks etc. not really a rake to make profit for the house.. also this is the only table in which a rake will be taken the rest of the tables will just be tipping the dealer when they please

[timwakefield 68]

Taking a rake is definitely illegal.That said, at .50/1 I would suggest something like $1 per player every half hour.

[FullMontyM1 0]

If its just to defra costs, why not avoid the potential of legal problems by having everyone that plays chip in x% of the costs of playing as a friendly, agreement?

[ncperrotta069 0]

If its just to defra costs, why not avoid the potential of legal problems by having everyone that plays chip in x% of the costs of playing as a friendly, agreement?

sounds good any other suggestions?

[Jam-Fly 8]

If its just to defra costs, why not avoid the potential of legal problems by having everyone that plays chip in x% of the costs of playing as a friendly, agreement?

yup, thats much safer

[FullMontyM1 0]

If you want to avoid profit entirely, but still make sure you collect enough to cover costs, you might be able to overestimate your costs to be safe (if you don't know them for sure for some reason, though this should be easy enough). Then anything that's left over goes into some sort of jackpot for a bad beat or best hand or whatnot. Though I would be wary of trying to build in "unanticipated expenses", as law enforcement is going to view that as a euphemism for """""profit""""""This is not legal advice. Only lay-observation and suggestions.Monty

[nosoul 0]

If its just to defra costs, why not avoid the potential of legal problems by having everyone that plays chip in x% of the costs of playing as a friendly, agreement?

I'm not sure where this game is being played, but in Texas that's not any different than taking a rake. It would still, technically, make the game illegal. Requiring everyone to pay the house in order to enter the game means the host is making money off the game that they didn't earn from playing. That's illegal.The jackpot idea won't fly, either. If the host takes money out of the jackpot to pay for expenses, it's considered money earned (or theft, depending on how you look at it).The bottom line is that the only money that can be made off a poker game is a player's personal winnings. You can't rake the pots. You can't charge a fee to play. You can't tip/pay dealers or waitresses because they would be making money off the game. Money which they didn't win from playing the game. That's illegal. Several card rooms here have been shut down because of that technicality.It's not a question of "profit". Making a poker game "non-profit" by only charging enough to cover expenses is still illegal. Profit has nothing to do with it. It's about who makes money off the game. If anybody makes money off the game other than their personal winnings, the game's illegal. Period.

[goose 0]

ok at a local card room i play at in the summer when all my buddies are home for college we usually just play $5 rebuys MTT with like 15-30 people but as we have been discussing this summer instead of playing tourneys everynight a couple times a week we're gonna run cash games.. one of the tables is going to be .50/1 HORSE with the game changing every 30 mins... also during the game change were gonna take a rake.. what do you think is a good amount to take for a $.5/1 game with us taking a rake every 30 mins?

Running a game with a rake = -EVThe dealer, home owner, and game operator can, and likely will, be severely punished if caught, not to mention everyone loses whatever they have on the table if the game gets busted.Also, you have to worry about cheaters, getting your *** robbed and/or shot, all for what? $50-100/night?For the limits you're talking about it would be IDIOTIC to have a rake and all the stuff that comes along with it. I'm not saying this to be a jerk, I'm saying this to make sure you understand what an unnecesary risk it is to run a game with a rake. If you think you won't get busted because it's small stakes, you're wrong. If it's found out about, you'll probably get busted. I've researched this a lot, and found it's not even remotely close to being worth it to run a game with a rake, and I live in Canada. It's a lot worse in the States.Quick edit: You can be sure that if you're really close to a casino and they hear that you're running regular game that's taking business away from them they'll be dropping a phone call asking the police to pay you a little business.

[redandblack 0]

just ask everyone to pay to come in the house. just like you would if you were having a house party. $5per person or something and say it has nothing to do with poker. $5 to come and party and there just happens to be a poker game as well.

[FullMontyM1 0]

I'm not sure where this game is being played, but in Texas that's not any different than taking a rake. It would still, technically, make the game illegal. Requiring everyone to pay the house in order to enter the game means the host is making money off the game that they didn't earn from playing. That's illegal.The jackpot idea won't fly, either. If the host takes money out of the jackpot to pay for expenses, it's considered money earned (or theft, depending on how you look at it).The bottom line is that the only money that can be made off a poker game is a player's personal winnings. You can't rake the pots. You can't charge a fee to play. You can't tip/pay dealers or waitresses because they would be making money off the game. Money which they didn't win from playing the game. That's illegal. Several card rooms here have been shut down because of that technicality.It's not a question of "profit". Making a poker game "non-profit" by only charging enough to cover expenses is still illegal. Profit has nothing to do with it. It's about who makes money off the game. If anybody makes money off the game other than their personal winnings, the game's illegal. Period.

The key words are "friendly agreement." A friendly agreement is voluntary. It is not a contract, and the people showing up to play are not required to pay. Therefore, all that is happening is a group of people are playing poker together and they are collectively paying for chips, beer, a dealer, etc.Someone can refuse to participate in the cost-sharing.

[chaosnhavoc 0]

If you setup rake, then you should also have hookers. At least when you get busted you all have a smile on your face.

[teddyKGB 0]

I would suggest the 10% of the pot up to 5 dollars(you would hardly ever get to a 5 dollar rake) but that % is pretty much the standard for all home games.

[koolromeo 0]

don't hire dealers. make everyone deal and make evryone bring some sort of refreshment. the game might be slower but it will be legal.

[myenemy 0]

$1/ 1/2 hour/player

[No_Neck 0]

I would suggest the 10% of the pot up to 5 dollars(you would hardly ever get to a 5 dollar rake) but that % is pretty much the standard for all home games.

for .5/1 limit, that is a lot of money taking off the table.