Doyle Brunson Ruined My Game?

[Hoss 0]

OK, money won in the last 3 months BEFORE reading supersystem 2 : $5000. money won SINCE reading Supersystem 2 (last week): -$3000.anyone have any explanations for this? Ive been taking some pretty bad beats, but that cant be everything...

[Rasty 0]

OK, money won in the last 3 months BEFORE reading supersystem 2 : $5000. money won SINCE reading Supersystem 2 (last week): -$3000.anyone have any explanations for this? Ive been taking some pretty bad beats, but that cant be everything...

I think it's safe to say that the most prudent thing would be to go to his house, strip down, oil up, and climb the fence while demanding your money back.

[Suited_Up 2]

Yes.SuperSystem is for HIGH STAKES games!!

[xtxoxpxd 0]

1. bad swing2. more variance with mroe aggression3. doyle's supersystem style does not fit the style of your opponentspersonally, i read supersystem then realized i was an idiot for following its methods without thought. i played a 983 flop with JT superaggressively and lost to KQ. if that guy was calling me down with KQ, don't you think he would do the same if i hit my straight or even a pair?

[88Fingers 0]

2. more variance with mroe aggression

I was about to suggest that myself as well as possibly over-using the techniques presented in the book.

[timwakefield 68]

I quadrupled my bankroll the week I read Supersystem.

[chaosnhavoc 0]

I think some things read can be just like trying to learn how to play poker from the televised matches on TV. Take strategies, but most importantly learn when to use them. Its kind of like Daniel likes playing 10-7, well for most this is a dead hand, unless you know what to do with it.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

Is it possible you were just getting hit in the face with the deck during that 5k upswing? I'm not immediately implying that you're a bad player, but, I don't know how you could really read that book and get *worse*. What game? What stakes are you playing? How many tables? What's your bankroll--how many buy ins? 6 max or Full table? Has any of this changed? Have you added tables, have you recently switched from 6 max to full ring? What % flops are you seeing? From late positiion? Early position?See? Lots of questions.

[looshle 6]

It's easy to lose a good amount of $ after reading Super System.If you don't apply some or most of its concepts correctly and/or aren't skilled enough to handle certain situations, you'll piss it all away extremely quickly.

[FourFlusher 0]

I thought every body knew...Doyle is rigged.

[akoff 0]

I think you forgot the key line in the book. I think this ia a quote if not it is close."This book assumes you are playing against good players"If you play the book against good players you will be fine. If you play it against bad players you will lose 5k in a week...He mentions at least 5 or 6 times the only thing you can do with a player is show them a hand...

[HurricaneKyle 0]

I actually had a downswing after reading SS as well. Everyone has their own style of play, and this will give everyone different strengths and weaknesses. If your opponents can't fold third pair, then I can definitely see how the SS style would lose money.Play YOUR style, not Doyle's. I play a very weird game and most of the people on this forum would be very confused if I tried to explain why I do some things, but importantly I know why I do them because they are based on past experiences from things I've seen that worked and did not work. Again, re read the book and incorporate some of the plays that can improve your game

[FoxwoodsPro 0]

A previous post I did applies here donk.........My game is flawless and by flawless i mean perfect for myself personally and I need no advice from any of you wannabe pros or DN himself because I play my way and I will not give you my resume. Bottom line is poker stlye is like a weapon, develop it , sharpen it groom it and you will be powerful with your unique style to attack your opponents.

[kcb 0]

Blaming your losses on Doyle and making a thread about it was definitely the +EV move here.Doyle's book doesn't preach mindless aggression. Many times he says "known your opponents". Also, the book is geared towards play against tight/weak opponents. Against regular players, especially at anything below $200NL, you have to make sure you know that your opponent will fold things like top pair, two overcards, etc.That being said, SS1 is a great book. It definitely improved my game.

[krup24 0]

Its called Variance

[dbrent2 0]

I think you forgot the key line in the book. I think this ia a quote if not it is close."This book assumes you are playing against good players"If you play the book against good players you will be fine. If you play it against bad players you will lose 5k in a week...He mentions at least 5 or 6 times the only thing you can do with a player is show them a hand...

I agree with this. Against bad players, you can't make any fancy moves, you have to show down the hand. Doyle says this in SS1 and SS2. Straightforward play is all you can do against bad players...

[....Ian.... 0]

supersystem took 25 bucks outs my bankroll.

[AWaaz 0]

A previous post I did applies here donk.........My game is flawless and by flawless i mean perfect for myself personally and I need no advice from any of you wannabe pros or DN himself because I play my way and I will not give you my resume. Bottom line is poker stlye is like a weapon, develop it , sharpen it groom it and you will be powerful with your unique style to attack your opponents.

WAB/MM

[AshleyC 0]

I think that hsi core NL theory of moving in with draws is -EV at low limits. For example, I think that he states moving in with 78 on a flop of A56, if you believe your opponent has AK. I think that this assumes you are playing with very deep stacks and that your opponent can fold TPTK. At low limits I don't believe the stacks are deep enough (100bb) and you do not have the same fold equity to make this profitable. As has been mentioned he does say that against bad player you need to show them a hand, so it would be wrong to apply this strategy at party NL $25. This isn't to say that this strategy is wrong; at high limits online players such as Mahatma have made millions by playing their draws extremely agrressively as SS suggests, in the correct situation. The other chapters on limit games are far more applicable to lower limit games I believe. The O8 section is superb and can help you crush low limit O8.

[Wingmaster05 0]

WAB/MM

but only if you write it as "Foxwoods Pro" as your pen namenh, btw

[JacKingOff_suit 0]

Doyles' nlh strategy is good if everyone buys in 1000+ BBs.

[BNH77 0]

That's a shame, I dont get to play in many games with a buy in 1000x the BB.

[fleung22 1]

You're right...SS2 sux.I mean...what does Doyle know?!Texas Dolly's just been lucky for 50 year...let's see how he does over the next 50 and THEN maybe he can say he has skill!

[bozzer 0]

I'm actually in the middle of reading the SS2 NLHE chapter. So far this week I've played 3 small live SnGs and come top 3 in each, and should have won 2 I reckon (massive chip leader all the way, but combination of poor play and bad luck).I can't say I follow it to the max, but I definately think playing all the low stuff preflop is the way to go. I'm not sure that all ins with draws are great at lower levels, but he mentions that in the book. It's definately for playing good players - not near pros, unless my home games are on a weirdly high level, but guys who have tightened up, know all their outs, and can run a good bluff but know when to fold: decent players. Against weak players: KISS.

[Hoss 0]

Thanks... I think the main thing I got is that its mostly for higher stakes games than I am playing, which is mostly 1/2NL & 2/4 NLHE. I agree, it's mostly a question of style. NOt so much doing what he says to do, but incorporating a few of the moves into my regular tight/aggr. style. Hopefully, it'll work out similar to what happened after i read Harrington on Holdem. I was doing pretty good in tournaments, then i read that and i sucked for about two months with virtually no cashes... eventually i learned not to take everything he said so literally and just work some of the advice in. since then, i've had two big mtt wins and several decent cashes. I know Im not a bad player, but maybe I am when i play so loose agressive against opponents who will do things like check-raise with 2nd pair. peace and love.. suckas.