rusmac31 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 $25 NL on Party 6 - handedHad this hand over the weekend, as usual i'm multi-tabling only been about 20 minutes or so and I don't really have a read on villian.Stack sizes:we both had around $25I'm dealt QcQhHero bets $1, fold, fold, button folds, SB calls, BB callsPot: $3Flop: 10c, 5c, 6dSB checks, BB bets $2, Hero raises to $7, SB calls, BB foldsPot: $19Turn: 4cSB checks, Hero checksRiver: 7hSB goes all-in, Hero foldsMy analysis:Pre-flop - $1 is my standard raise UTG and is fairly standard for the tableFlop - Raise to $7 is probably a little high but I figured SB had nothing, and BB had a weak 10 or a draw and I wanted to take the pot right there. The SB calling the bet and raise concerned me. It's $25 Party so he could have flush draw, straight draw, overplaying top pair, set, or nothing.You guys ok with the flop? Turn: The straight got there, the flush got there and now the only hand I'm ahead of is top pair, JJ or 99. The other problem I have is any decent size bet is going to commit me to the pot on the river.You guys ok with checking behind hoping for free/cheap river?River: The flush already hit, 4 cards to a straight.Is this an easy fold? Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Tough hand.You're beat in almost every case. I think he had a set or two pair on the flop and figured it to be good after you checked the turn, OR he has an A-10 and put a very risky bet into the river. You raised the flop big purposely to kick out a donk, so his call makes me think he had something other than a draw.Even if you put him on the A10 though, with that board the way it is, I'm pretty sure you have to pick a better spot to get your money in. Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 I wanna sy it's fine, but I think you fold the winner here a good amount of the time. Dam the pot for getting so big on the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
rusmac31 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Author Share Posted April 10, 2006 Scott,Yeah I almost called the BB $2 bet just to keep the pot small but felt that would've been weak.I could've raised to $5, which would've allowed me to bet $8 on the turn which would've given me an out if he re-raised or may have also given me a free river.But if SB calls the $5, BB almost surely calls if he got any piece of it so I have 3 callers and the pot is still $18.Hindsight I guess.thanks for the input Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Scott,Yeah I almost called the BB $2 bet just to keep the pot small but felt that would've been weak.I could've raised to $5, which would've allowed me to bet $8 on the turn which would've given me an out if he re-raised or may have also given me a free river.But if SB calls the $5, BB almost surely calls if he got any piece of it so I have 3 callers and the pot is still $18.Hindsight I guess.thanks for the inputNo, I think the raise is fine.... charges the draws a good price. I think just smooth calling the flop would have been very bad. I think I'm just wishing for the stacks to be around $40 to start and then we can bet/fold the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
anyone1 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 I would've raised more on the flop to keep from making a difficult decision on the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 9 out of 10 times the SB has a flush hereLook at the actionCalls a small raise pfCheck calls a reraise on the flop with 2 clubsChecks the turn after he makes his flushOverbets the river trying a trap Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 9 out of 10 times the SB has a flush hereLook at the actionCalls a small raise pfCheck calls a reraise on the flop with 2 clubsChecks the turn after he makes his flushOverbets the river trying a trapI didn't even notice it was the SB who called. i thought it was the BB who bet into you. That makes the turn and river much simpler. Link to post Share on other sites
rusmac31 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Author Share Posted April 10, 2006 krup,Actually, I put him on a set and maybe a flush. On the flop, he had to assume (could be giving him too much credit) I'm not re-raising on a club draw and therefore I had an overpair or it's just a continuation bet. If he had a set, my action would indicate that I'm not on the flush draw so calling is probably his best bet hoping I'm going to fire at the turn. If he knows that I am half way decent, his overbet on the river was bad as I probably make a crying call up to about $8.anyone1, How much larger of a bet do you make on the flop? The pot was $5 when I bet $7. Betting $7 is pricing all draws out and the majority of the time you are only getting called by hands that beat you. i think raising anymore than that basically says you are showing down your pocket QQ regardless of the action post flop which I think is bad poker. Your thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites
ICrushHomeGames 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 I think you have to bet this turn to find out where you're at. Link to post Share on other sites
Donkey 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 All hands with a board like that are a possibility for him to have. Assuming he is a decent player, i would put a set as the most likely holding. though many people are taking about the flush, the straight is also very possible. he may have decided he was going all the way and may as well go all in to take the pot there or give a bad price to a k or a of clubs. jj through kk is also a very remote possibility. On balance you have to fold to a board like that. The check on the flop, and then calling your reraise is scary and indicates the set, or draw, which you obviously now could not beat. All hands with a board like that are a possibility for him to have. Assuming he is a decent player, i would put a set as the most likely holding. though many people are taking about the flush, the straight is also very possible. he may have decided he was going all the way and may as well go all in to take the pot there or give a bad price to a k or a of clubs. jj through kk is also a very remote possibility. On balance you have to fold to a board like that. The check on the flop, and then calling your reraise is scary and indicates the set, or draw, which you obviously now could not beat.sorry, thought you had aces jj, kk, or aa then (again a very remote possibility if he ever slowplays, but you do see it alot online) Link to post Share on other sites
nomad_monad 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 I think you have to bet this turn to find out where you're at.Maybe if he had a bigger stack. Pot is $19 on the turn and hero has $17 left. Any reasonable bet into the pot now would likely potstick the hero.Besides, what could the SB possibly have on that board that cold calls a bet and a substantial flop raise OOP? Smells like a set or a monster draw. Either way hero is now behind on the turn given those possibilities. I think the SB's cold call tells him all he needs to know. Link to post Share on other sites
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