Bubba83 0 Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Hero has 4,415 chips.UTG+2 has 3,345 chips.CO has 3,245 chips.Average is 2,725, so everyone is in good shape at this point.Blinds 40/80Reads: Hadn't played with either of these guys before this tournament, but have been at this table with them from the start. CO seemed pretty standard TAG, but UTG+2 was a little bit too loose, my notes on him were that he would play ace-mids offsuit even for little raises. Also, I saw him min-raise after 2 people limped with A8 offsuit once and he was CO. I don't really know if he gets out of line postflop or not, I just don't have enough history with him.Hero has Ah Qc UTG+1Preflop:UTG folds, Hero raises to 200, UTG+2 waits a while and calls, folds to CO, CO calls, Button and both blinds fold.Flop: 4c Qs 7h (720 in pot)Hero bets 380, UTG+2 calls, CO folds.Turn: Jd (1480 in pot)Hero bets 690, UTG+2 raises to 2,275 (leaving him with like 500), Hero does what?I was going to post what play I made in this situation, but decided to leave it open ended so I could get a feel for what you guys would have done without you guys knowing what I did or the results. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 I would fold. The hand has the stench of 2 pair (QJ) about it, maybe a slow played set. Your hand is pretty obvious unless he thinks you are overplaying AK and cant see him trying to buy it.You sized your bets right, imo, and can afford to fold. If you had bet much more on any street getting out of the hand would be a lot tougher. Link to post Share on other sites
PrtyPSux 0 Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 I fold too. Im almost sure he had a set. That being said, I'd personally bet more on every street, probably raise to 240 PF, bet 500 on th flop, and about 1k or 1.2k on the turn. Im not a big fan of wierd numbers like 690 and stuff, not that it matters much, but maybe Its just a peeve of mine. When people bet odd numbers I always feel like they just dragged the little lever with their mouse, hehe usually when people have a big hand they care about how much they bet.Anyway, the reason I say I would bet more is because Id often call flop bets like this with mid to low pairs so that I could evaluate the turn, once you bet 690 into a 1400 pot Im almost always reraising. I dont know but the bet smells a bit like fear, so I usually act on it. Once he reraises you theres not much you can do imo, either he has u murdered or hes making a move, but theres no real reason to find out unless you *KNOW* he makes moves like this often.J.C. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 I fold too. Im almost sure he had a set. That being said, I'd personally bet more on every street, probably raise to 240 PF, bet 500 on th flop, and about 1k or 1.2k on the turn. Im not a big fan of wierd numbers like 690 and stuff, not that it matters much, but maybe Its just a peeve of mine. When people bet odd numbers I always feel like they just dragged the little lever with their mouse, hehe usually when people have a big hand they care about how much they bet.Anyway, the reason I say I would bet more is because Id often call flop bets like this with mid to low pairs so that I could evaluate the turn, once you bet 690 into a 1400 pot Im almost always reraising. I dont know but the bet smells a bit like fear, so I usually act on it. Once he reraises you theres not much you can do imo, either he has u murdered or hes making a move, but theres no real reason to find out unless you *KNOW* he makes moves like this often.J.C.With the bets as they were he still committed more than 25% of his stack. Any bigger and hes pot committed. With that flop hes either on a 5 outer, a 2 outer, or the opponent is on 5 outer...ie he is wa or wb. You want to keep the pots small while pricing out the 5 outer. Link to post Share on other sites
gobears 0 Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 I fold this - just smells like a set to me. With your stack size, you can let this hand go. Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba83 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Author Share Posted April 10, 2006 Apparently this was pretty easy, I definitely didn't think about it hard enough, I pushed his last 500 in on the turn and he flipped up 77. That hurt me but I fought back well and back to an average stack. Then I got moved and raised from UTG+1 with AQ again pretty shortly after my move, I took down the blinds. Then the next hand, UTG, I had AK suited and made the same raise, the chip leader of the tournament came all in over the top of me for some god awful number, and I quickly called, thinking he wanted to show me I can't bully "his" table. I thought he would have made this play with AQ or AJ, as well as some smaller pairs, It didn't seem like he'd overbet an AA or KK so much, well, he had 99 and won the race and that was that. I guess I'll never know if he makes that play with AQ or AJ, but I really thought there was a good possibility. I still would have had 17x BB if I fold there, what do you guys think? Link to post Share on other sites
Rocketwadster 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Ace queen is the devil...Easy fold (on paper), maybe not so easy at the table (at least for me it wouldn't be if I am being honest), but that would be due to the size of the buy-in if this was a tourney I was playing in (this example is from a higher buy-in than I am used to). Top Pair Top Kicker is good a LOT of times at the low-dollar buy-ins...best way to avoid these tough decisions is to NOT play Ace Queen, ever!!! Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Apparently this was pretty easy, I definitely didn't think about it hard enough, I pushed his last 500 in on the turn and he flipped up 77. That hurt me but I fought back well and back to an average stack. Then I got moved and raised from UTG+1 with AQ again pretty shortly after my move, I took down the blinds. Then the next hand, UTG, I had AK suited and made the same raise, the chip leader of the tournament came all in over the top of me for some god awful number, and I quickly called, thinking he wanted to show me I can't bully "his" table. I thought he would have made this play with AQ or AJ, as well as some smaller pairs, It didn't seem like he'd overbet an AA or KK so much, well, he had 99 and won the race and that was that. I guess I'll never know if he makes that play with AQ or AJ, but I really thought there was a good possibility. I still would have had 17x BB if I fold there, what do you guys think?This one is probably more style than "correct strategy. Any reasonable range of hands for him is going to make your overall decision one side or another of a coin flip. With an average stack and the middle stages of a tourney where youve been able to recover from a setback would make me think you can outplay the table (unless the deck hit you in the face to make the recovery), so I would pass on a coinflip. If you had to get lucky to get back to average, then rolling the dice one more time cant be that bad a decision either. Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba83 0 Posted April 11, 2006 Author Share Posted April 11, 2006 This one is probably more style than "correct strategy. Any reasonable range of hands for him is going to make your overall decision one side or another of a coin flip. With an average stack and the middle stages of a tourney where youve been able to recover from a setback would make me think you can outplay the table (unless the deck hit you in the face to make the recovery), so I would pass on a coinflip. If you had to get lucky to get back to average, then rolling the dice one more time cant be that bad a decision either.I recovered before I got moved, this AK hand is literally like my 3rd hand at the new table, there are 2 really big stacks at the new table and I don't know if I could have outplayed the table. I also forgot to include that the big stack was in BB when I raised the AQ, then SB when I raised the AK and he came over the top of me. I think I was coinflip maybe 80% of the time, and had him dominated the other 20%. Also, if I fold here it lets everyone know at the new table that they can play back at my raises and I'll fold. Link to post Share on other sites
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