$4+.40 Stars 180 Man Sng

[Bubba83 0]

UTG+1 has 3200 in chipsUTG+2 has 2700 in chipsHero has 1500 in chipsMP2 has 1900 in chipsButton has 2300 in chipsBB has 1900 in chipsBlinds have just gone up to 50/100.Haven't been at the table for more than 10 hands but seems loose passive, pretty normal for PokerStars.Hero is MP1 with Ah JhUTG+1 limps, UTG+2 limps, Hero limps, MP2 limps, Button min-raises, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero moves all-in.Anyone like this? Everyone felt weak, there is a TON of dead money in the pot.Results in white:MP2 calls and shows Qd Kc, Button calls and shows As 9c, rest fold.Flop: 8d 7c 3dTurn: 10sRiver: Ks

[copernicus 0]

Yeah, I like it. Even if the min raiser has a hand you probably arent dominated, since AK and AQ really dont want to play against all those limpers and would have raised more.Edit: I take it back, lol. After I added up the pot when you raised I think it was 1000, and you raised it to 2500, giving better than 3:1. By the same reasoning as my original thoughts above, you probably dont dominate KQ. The A9 call isnt all that horrible, though he should expect to be dominated fairly often.

[Bubba83 0]

The only reason the 2nd guy had 3:1 was because the 1st guy called, we can't possibly know we're going to get called by 2 people when we make this play, especially the guy behind us who has shown the weakest of everyones hands by being the 4th limper into the pot.To be honest, I really expected everyone to fold and the min-raiser to call, or maybe no one to call at all. When 2 people called I was quite surprised, and did not at all expect to have the best hand, then again I am new to Stars MTTs.

[copernicus 0]

The only reason the 2nd guy had 3:1 was because the 1st guy called, we can't possibly know we're going to get called by 2 people when we make this play, especially the guy behind us who has shown the weakest of everyones hands by being the 4th limper into the pot.To be honest, I really expected everyone to fold and the min-raiser to call, or maybe no one to call at all. When 2 people called I was quite surprised, and did not at all expect to have the best hand, then again I am new to Stars MTTs.

Youre right... when you raised to 1500 there was 1000 in the pot, your raise was 1400 putting 2400 in the pot, he has 1400 to call so he is getting 72:42 odds, and he has a call unless he thinks youre a moron limping from EP after two limpers. He should be putting you on JJ-66,AJs-A8s,AJo-A8o and he is only a 58:42 dog. You need a bigger stack to make this play.

[Bubba83 0]

I don't understand why this play is unacceptable if the chances of getting 1 call are pretty high. There's a lot of dead money and I'd only be up against 1 other player most of the time.I'm getting the chance to almost triple up against likely only 1 opponent.

[Rocketwadster 0]

The problem is that there are 5 other players who have shown some interest in this pot, AND you just limped after two other limpers. The pot odds for any of the other 5 players in the pot are great after all of that "dead" money went in, plus once one other person calls your push, the next guy has unbelievable pot odds with lesser holdings. All that, plus its a $4+0.40 tourney, make this a terrible play IMO.

[Bubba83 0]

The problem is that there are 5 other players who have shown some interest in this pot, AND you just limped after two other limpers. The pot odds for any of the other 5 players in the pot are great after all of that "dead" money went in, plus once one other person calls your push, the next guy has unbelievable pot odds with lesser holdings. All that, plus its a $4+0.40 tourney, make this a terrible play IMO.

Well, I liked the results. Look at the crap I got called with? Had the best hand and a chance to quadruple up. That's why I think this is good in a $4+.40 tourney. As I said everyone looked weak, and I was right. Just REALLY did not anticipate MP2 calling, he was the only one with 100 invested instead of 200, and he was the 4th limper preflop. If he folds I'm getting great odds against the min-raiser and I highly doubt anyone else is calling as he may very well re-push.On a side note I'm getting tired of the responses I get here, it seems as if I am disagreed with no matter what I post, just based on principle. I know I am not an easy fellow to agree with, but everytime someone agrees with me, or I agree with them, they re-post and change their mind...IE, I like it... Wait, no I don't...

[copernicus 0]

Well, I liked the results. Look at the crap I got called with? Had the best hand and a chance to quadruple up. That's why I think this is good in a $4+.40 tourney. As I said everyone looked weak, and I was right. Just REALLY did not anticipate MP2 calling, he was the only one with 100 invested instead of 200, and he was the 4th limper preflop. If he folds I'm getting great odds against the min-raiser and I highly doubt anyone else is calling as he may very well re-push.On a side note I'm getting tired of the responses I get here, it seems as if I am disagreed with no matter what I post, just based on principle. I know I am not an easy fellow to agree with, but everytime someone agrees with me, or I agree with them, they re-post and change their mind...IE, I like it... Wait, no I don't...

You get disagreed with a lot because your logic often doesnt support your plays. This hand is a good example. You start out by recogonizing that there is a "ton of dead money in the pot", yet you push with a stack that has questionable fold equity because of that dead money. Then, you say you expected to be called by one player (failing, apparently, to recognize that one caller gives huge odds to a second caller) but are suprised that you are ahead. Why would you push with not expecting fold equity but expecting to be behind? Yes, sometimes people change their minds in this forum. At least they explain their reasons why.

[Bubba83 0]

I expected to be in a race, so slightly behind... I don't see any problem with likely racing to triple up. I think our stack was perfect size for this play, any bigger and it's a spew, imo.Anyway, I do appreciate the advice, I just get frustrated sometimes.