Chugg007 0 Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 Should I have played this hand? PokerStars Game #4522100716: Tournament #22379898, Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2006/04/04 - 19:44:20 (ET)Table '22379898 134' 9-max Seat #4 is the buttonSeat 1: eNTySoN (745 in chips) Seat 2: tiltintampa (4255 in chips) Seat 3: YuhmanQ (4090 in chips) Seat 4: landfillman (3755 in chips) Seat 5: wasyls (1380 in chips) Seat 6: Chugg007 (2080 in chips) Seat 7: !BREDRIN! (415 in chips) Seat 8: argotha (3660 in chips) Seat 9: DJTWIZZLE1 (1595 in chips) wasyls: posts small blind 25Chugg007: posts big blind 50*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Chugg007 [Ts Tc]!BREDRIN!: folds argotha: folds DJTWIZZLE1: folds eNTySoN: raises 695 to 745 and is all-intiltintampa: folds YuhmanQ: raises 3345 to 4090 and is all-inlandfillman: folds wasyls: folds Chugg007: folds *** FLOP *** [Qh 5d 3h]Chugg007 said, "im going to lay this monster down but i have 10's"*** TURN *** [Qh 5d 3h] [9d]*** RIVER *** [Qh 5d 3h 9d] [4h]*** SHOW DOWN ***eNTySoN: shows [6c 5s] (a pair of Fives)YuhmanQ: shows [Ad Ks] (high card Ace)Chugg007 said, "thats sick"eNTySoN collected 1565 from potChugg007 said, "i should have played"*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 1565 | Rake 0 Board [Qh 5d 3h 9d 4h]Seat 1: eNTySoN showed [6c 5s] and won (1565) with a pair of FivesSeat 2: tiltintampa folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: YuhmanQ showed [Ad Ks] and lost with high card AceSeat 4: landfillman (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: wasyls (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 6: Chugg007 (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 7: !BREDRIN! folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: argotha folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 9: DJTWIZZLE1 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 It's a decent fold. The blinds are so small still. You are either a big dog to a better pair, or a coinflip. Just wait and find a better spot.Also, use the converter.- Zach Link to post Share on other sites
MasterLJ 0 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 Yeah, you've got 40 blinds... tons of poker to be played. Link to post Share on other sites
Chugg007 0 Posted April 5, 2006 Author Share Posted April 5, 2006 Yeah, you've got 40 blinds... tons of poker to be played.For all my chips with 2 all ins ahead of me though? Link to post Share on other sites
MasterLJ 0 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 For all my chips with 2 all ins ahead of me though?I guess I didn't make it all that clear but I'm advocating you to fold.You have 40+ blinds and there's still a lot more poker to be played. Link to post Share on other sites
Chugg007 0 Posted April 5, 2006 Author Share Posted April 5, 2006 I guess I didn't make it all that clear but I'm advocating you to fold.You have 40+ blinds and there's still a lot more poker to be played.Thanks hard to lay a PP like that down took me some time in doing so but felt I made the right play PF once i saw thier cards though I wanted to kick myself but feel it was a smart fold. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 Thanks hard to lay a PP like that down took me some time in doing so but felt I made the right play PF once i saw thier cards though I wanted to kick myself but feel it was a smart fold.The first hour or so of tourneys are more about picking your spots, and taking chances when you are a pretty clear favorite. Like I said, in this hand you are either drawing to two outs, or you are a coinflip, most of the time, so it's better to fold and wait for a better spot.- Zach Link to post Share on other sites
srblan 0 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 Ignore the result. Your play was fine. Nothing wrong with avoiding the conflip here, though massive overbets preflop usually smell like AK to me. Link to post Share on other sites
Frinkenstein 0 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 A very obvious fold. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted April 5, 2006 Share Posted April 5, 2006 no offense..but how..out of all the hands you play..do you pick this one?it's not even close to a call Link to post Share on other sites
Stallion714 0 Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 The real lesson is... it's poor etiquette to announce your hand before all action is concluded. Link to post Share on other sites
TheMathProf 0 Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 The real lesson is... it's poor etiquette to announce your hand before all action is concluded.It was concluded.ggthx Link to post Share on other sites
Swift_Psycho 1 Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 A very obvious fold. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Looks like I'm alone on this one but its not an easy fold at all..in fact I think its a clear call with a much bigger or somewhat smaller stack, and basically an even EV call with this stack.The first all in can be anything. The big stack knows that, and has a pretty wide range too. If you put him on 66+, AQ+ then you are on a coin flip with him, and small stack has about 18% chance to win.So your equity if you call is .41 * +2900 + .09 * +2155 - .5 * -2030 or +367.If you narrow the big stack to 88+, AK+ you are still .36 *2900 + .07 * 2155 - .57 * -2030 which is +38.If you put the first all in at any pair or any A (pretty typcial for an UTG desperation all in) and keep big stack at 88+, AK+ this actually a very big +EV call, around +1150.Actuary: check my math! Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Copernicus,lol... no math checking from me!I'm at work doing qrt end stuff and just eating dinner.I'll assume it's perfect.To me, it's an easy fold at this stage of the tournament.Don't you need to add some analysis, like "if we lose we have 0% chance to cash" and "if we win we have xPrize Equity?" I didn't really look closely at the hand ranges before just thinking "I can risk all this in much better spots"I certanily agree that if we had a much bigger stack or little smaller one..it's a call.ps. I'm not one to ask... I like to push A7 on a 887 board 3 way, even chips..top 2 pay.. and villan has 77. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Copernicus,To me, it's an easy fold at this stage of the tournament.Don't you need to add some analysis, like "if we lose we have 0% chance to cash" and "if we win we have xPrize Equity?" I didn't really look closely at the hand ranges before just thinking "I can risk all this in much better spots"I certanily agree that if we had a much bigger stack or little smaller one..it's a call.Its the third level of what I assume from the chip counts is a MTT, so prize equity and chip equity are about the same. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 Its the third level of what I assume from the chip counts is a MTT, so prize equity and chip equity are about the same.ewww.In that case, I'm not flipping coins. Link to post Share on other sites
Bubba83 0 Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 I fold this everytime. Link to post Share on other sites
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