Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation

[Mattnxtc 0]

I've shown you justification in this thread already. You have chosen to respond with a) flawed logic; b ) straw man arguments; c) hyperbole; d) assumptions; e) flaming.I'm through with discussing this with you. I'm not going to go through the thread and copy+paste all of my posts again. Feel free to do it yourself, if you are interested in wasting your time. I am not interested in wasting my time.Monty

Your correct, it wouldnt be worth my time. Why? B/c there isnt any justification anywhere in this thread. All you do is toss out big words and hope nobody notices that you dont back them up with anythingAgain. If anybody wants to help monty out and show anyting he said that can be backed by the bible or anything please feel free to help him out.

[FullMontyM1 0]

Your correct, it wouldnt be worth my time. Why? B/c there isnt any justification anywhere in this thread. All you do is toss out big words and hope nobody notices that you dont back them up with anythingAgain. If anybody wants to help monty out and show anyting he said that can be backed by the bible or anything please feel free to help him out.

Your posts drip with smarmy arrogance, you are a discredit to Christianity.Monty

[Mattnxtc 0]

Your posts drip with smarmy arrogance, you are a discredit to Christianity.Monty

now you must attempt to discredit me when you realize you have nothing else to fall back on? My post was not about arrogance but about the truth. I know you have no justification for your belief and i want others to search through your posts to realize that too....I have dealt with enough people like you to know what you do and I merely pointed that out. What have you done when you had nothing else? You start tossin out logic and all these big words to throw people off. I merely helped people realize that your assumptions and beliefs that you add into the logic have no justification. I am still waiting to see if anybody can find any justification for your beliefs

[FullMontyM1 0]

You start tossin out logic ....to throw people off

... nuff said. This debate is over.Monty

[Mattnxtc 0]

... nuff said. This debate is over.Monty

what debate...im fairly certain if you wanted to have a real debate it woudl be necessary to actually offer proof of anything. I am still waiting for that proof

[FullMontyM1 0]

You start tossin out logic ....to throw people off

... nuff said. This debate is over.Monty

[Mattnxtc 0]

... nuff said. This debate is over.Monty

well since monty backed down...the challenge is still there for everybody elsefind one piece of evidence for anything monty believes. You have 11 pages so it shouldnt be tough. But i think most will give up when they realize he never actually justified anything...Good luck to you all on this

[FullMontyM1 0]

well since monty backed down...the challenge is still there for everybody elsefind one piece of evidence for anything monty believes. You have 11 pages so it shouldnt be tough. But i think most will give up when they realize he never actually justified anything...Good luck to you all on this

You saying I backed down is like the losing team in a football game coming out on the field after they got trounced and saying the other team backed down because they left the field.Stop being ridiculous, people will take you more seriously.I don't have time to respond in detail to your endless stream of inane posts by REHASHING my argument over and over again.Monty

[Mattnxtc 0]

You saying I backed down is like the losing team in a football game coming out on the field after they got trounced and saying the other team backed down because they left the field.Stop being ridiculous, people will take you more seriously.I don't have time to respond in detail to your endless stream of inane posts by REHASHING my argument over and over again.Monty

I coud care less if people take me serious. Heck Id rather they hated me, they may work harder to prove me wrong. So the bet continues, Please find one piece of evidence that Monty has offered that backs up anything he has saidIt should be hard I mean he did offer something of worth didnt he?come on now 12 pages and counting. He had to have offered something you would think?

[copernicus 0]

You saying I backed down is like the losing team in a football game coming out on the field after they got trounced and saying the other team backed down because they left the field.Stop being ridiculous, people will take you more seriously.I don't have time to respond in detail to your endless stream of inane posts by REHASHING my argument over and over again.Monty

Funnier than the Black Knight saying "Lets call it a draw"

[Mattnxtc 0]

Funnier than the Black Knight saying "Lets call it a draw"

ithought ud be the first to help him

[FullMontyM1 0]

ithought ud be the first to help him

I appreciate Copernicus' moral support, but I don't need any help dealing with you. When you want to discuss things in a reasonable fashion, let me know. I'll be glad to participate.Monty

[Canada 0]

You start tossin out logic ... to throw people off.

Oh that is priceless!I have read some incredibly daft posts in my time, but that has jumped to the top of the list!Matt, there is no doubt in my mind now that you are a complete tool.For the record Monty has shown the Biblical references to support his beliefs here...here...and herein this thread alone.Then he has the audacity to actually explain his beliefs with logical analysis. Shame on him.Do I think his arguments are solid? YesDo I agree with his beliefs? No, because like all Christians the inital step is one of faith in the abscence of proof. A step I choose not to make.As an 'outsider looking in' do I find him to be a good Christian? Yes. Given I wouldn't care less if he believed that Jesus was a blue dwarf I still think he is a credit to his religion and all others associated with him. If he knocked on my door to tell me about his beliefs, I would show him the courtesy of listening to him before wishing him good day.To ask the same questions of you...Do I think your arguments are solid? lol - not even closeDo I agree with your beliefs? No, because like all Christians the inital step is one of faith in the abscence of proof. A step I choose not to make.As an 'outsider looking in' do I find you to be a good Christian? No. Given I wouldn't care less if you believed that Jesus was a blue dwarf I think you are a complete waste of space, an embarassment to Christians, not to mention the human race. In fact if you knocked on my door to tell me of your beliefs, I would burn you with vitriol, take a dump on your ashes and use them to fertilise my tree so that my dog could relieve himself on you for years to come.Monty, you clearly won this 'debate' 200 posts ago. It shouldn't cause you any more angst. I suggest that you make use of the 'ignore user' option.I know I will

[FullMontyM1 0]

I -really- appreciate the support Canada. I don't mind responding, ad nasuem, to Matt's derogations and accusations. I feel that the give-and-take helps highlight the strengths of my argument, so that they are not lost in a miasmic cloud of babble, balderdash, baloney, blather, bombast, BS, bull, and bunk.MontyPS - Matt, I am sorely tempted to put your quote "You start tossin out logic to throw people off" in my signature, but I recognize that would be uncouth.

[Canada 0]

a miasmic cloud of babble, balderdash, baloney, blather, bombast, BS, bull, and bunk.MontyPS - Matt, I am sorely tempted to put your quote "You start tossin out logic to throw people off" in my signature, but I recognize that would be uncouth.

Brilliant batch of berations!However if you are not going to claim the quote, I shall! Uncouth or not it must not be lost!!

[Mattnxtc 0]

CanadaYour efforts to help out monty of valiant but fruitlessThe first post you linked to I already explained why each and every verse he posted is wrong. I provided verses to show that he was wrong so that post is now irrelevant. The secont post you linked to is actually just John 14 again which I handled already by showing that the interpretation monty chooses to use is in fact unbiblical. I will get to the third one soon to show the problems monty has with that. I applaud u on your effort but monty is still lef with nothing.

[Farnan 0]

Ahhh, fantastic quote. Thanks, Matt--that gave me a good laugh this Friday morning.

[FullMontyM1 0]

CanadaYour efforts to help out monty of valiant but fruitlessThe first post you linked to I already explained why each and every verse he posted is wrong. I provided verses to show that he was wrong so that post is now irrelevant. The secont post you linked to is actually just John 14 again which I handled already by showing that the interpretation monty chooses to use is in fact unbiblical. I will get to the third one soon to show the problems monty has with that. I applaud u on your effort but monty is still lef with nothing.

You better be careful, Matt, or I am going to start tossing around things like logic, and then someone could get hurt.Monty

[copernicus 0]

Brilliant batch of berations!However if you are not going to claim the quote, I shall! Uncouth or not it must not be lost!!

Its should be a mandatory quote in all forums...kinda like retiring 99s number in all arenas.

[Mattnxtc 0]

You better be careful, Matt, or I am going to start tossing around things like logic, and then someone could get hurt.Monty

I love how you try to change the subject. I fortunately understand logic but many people on this forum probably do not. You unfortunately do not seem to understand Knowledge which is a shame b/c i have to deal with all this nonsense from youAnd I am still waiting for that justification you claim to have. Canada tried to help yah out but wasnt able to.

[FullMontyM1 0]

I love how you try to change the subject. I fortunately understand logic but many people on this forum probably do not. You unfortunately do not seem to understand Knowledge which is a shame b/c i have to deal with all this nonsense from youAnd I am still waiting for that justification you claim to have. Canada tried to help yah out but wasnt able to.

I don't know how things work out there in College Station but saying a thing doesn't make it so.Monty

[gobears 0]

I love how you try to change the subject. I fortunately understand logic but many people on this forum probably do not. You unfortunately do not seem to understand Knowledge which is a shame b/c i have to deal with all this nonsense from youAnd I am still waiting for that justification you claim to have. Canada tried to help yah out but wasnt able to.

Matt, I would say that almost everyone on this thread understands logic better than you do.Monty is obviously very knowlegable; the only reason that you are insulting him is because you disagree with his positions.Why do you keep asking for his justification? He has provided it again and again. Just because you say that it isn't justification doesn't make your statement valid. Monty has commented on many of the bible verses that you have quoted and offered different interpretations - from what I can see, any intepretation that is not your own is "wrong". Again, just because you say or believe that his interpretation is "wrong" doesn't make it wrong.By the way, your tone in this thread is quite nasty and insulting. Brvheart had posted in one of these threads that we should try to be polite and civil even when we disagree with one another.

[Mattnxtc 0]

Matt, I would say that almost everyone on this thread understands logic better than you do.Monty is obviously very knowlegable; the only reason that you are insulting him is because you disagree with his positions.Why do you keep asking for his justification? He has provided it again and again. Just because you say that it isn't justification doesn't make your statement valid. Monty has commented on many of the bible verses that you have quoted and offered different interpretations - from what I can see, any intepretation that is not your own is "wrong". Again, just because you say or believe that his interpretation is "wrong" doesn't make it wrong.By the way, your tone in this thread is quite nasty and insulting. Brvheart had posted in one of these threads that we should try to be polite and civil even when we disagree with one another.

Is my interpretation of the bible 100%? maybe not. But the difference between mine and montys is that mine can be backed biblically. Montys cannot and i am sorry that most of yall who dont read the bible cant see it but it is fairly obvious to those who have read it. Monty takes verses out of context and I have on numerous occasions showed contradictions to his verse or even clarified to show what the verse actually says. Does monty admit to this? no he just changes the subject and hopes that all the people who have never read the bible wont notice (which appears to be true). So it is a disservice to you all to have somebody misquote something and then assume yall wont call him on it. I have called him out several times. He has failed to provide any sort of justification. I am still waiting for him to provide even 1 verse. It should be to hard but yet for him it is. I am sorry yall dont find that troublesome but I sure do. But then again yall dont believe in the bible and well monty should find it odd that all who dont believe in the bible belive him. But its ok. I am not out to win a popularity contest. Just out to spread the true gospel and not to let people like monty spread a false gospel

I don't know how things work out there in College Station but saying a thing doesn't make it so.Monty

I dont know about u but i find that Knowledge requires justification. But maybe you missed that class. I am still waiting for you to provide that verse that helps your beliefs. Avoiding me wont make it go away. You still have no justification.

[Canada 0]

CanadaYour efforts to help out monty of valiant but fruitlessThe first post you linked to I already explained why each and every verse he posted is wrong. I provided verses to show that he was wrong so that post is now irrelevant. The secont post you linked to is actually just John 14 again which I handled already by showing that the interpretation monty chooses to use is in fact unbiblical. I will get to the third one soon to show the problems monty has with that. I applaud u on your effort but monty is still lef with nothing.

Actually, you never have.Not once have you ever shown Monty to be wrong. You're the one that's all big on justification. Find a post where you have shown him to be wrong. It doesn't exist.

[Mattnxtc 0]

Actually, you never have.Not once have you ever shown Monty to be wrong. You're the one that's all big on justification. Find a post where you have shown him to be wrong. It doesn't exist.

right..those bible verses that showed that what he believes is not possible arent proof. Or the fact that he literally has to change a verse to fit what he wants. Yeah thats not proof either. I know you all are tryin your hardest to prove me wrong but seriously...Open your eyes and see that monty is hopin you dont realize he has nothing