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Okay let's assume you are at a loose table at the casino. There are 7 callers you look down in the SB to find AA. Would the correct thing be to just merely call as you know that even if you raise you are seeing the flop 7-handed, or should you always raise with AA no matter what position you are at on the table. Just wondering as I was at the casino last weekend and I saw AA beat twice and KK beat once and everytime they raised and got called and went to the river only to see that some donkey called them down with 34o, with two pair on the flop. It was funny to me since I wasn't the one getting killed but it still made me wonder if that practice would be better over time.

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so are you suggesting we save one small bet the times we lose and call down?did you think AA wins > 50% of the time against a big field?did you think you have to win >50% of the time to raise AA preflop ?what are you thinking?

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Okay let's assume you are at a loose table at the casino. There are 7 callers you look down in the SB to find AA. Would the correct thing be to just merely call as you know that even if you raise you are seeing the flop 7-handed, or should you always raise with AA no matter what position you are at on the table. Just wondering as I was at the casino last weekend and I saw AA beat twice and KK beat once and everytime they raised and got called and went to the river only to see that some donkey called them down with 34o, with two pair on the flop. It was funny to me since I wasn't the one getting killed but it still made me wonder if that practice would be better over time.
Raise, even though you know you're going to get called. The reason is that you will still win more than your share of the time. i.e. if you are in the pot with 7 other players, you will still win more than 1 in 7 times. Thus, you should raise.BTW, Ed Miller writes that AA plays well heads up as well as in multi-way pots.You're probably not happy to be playing against 7 other players, but you should still raise.Also, consider that even heads up, AA loses about 1 in 5 times (give or take)
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so are you suggesting we save one small bet the times we lose and call down?did you think AA wins > 50% of the time against a big field?did you think you have to win >50% of the time to raise AA preflop ?what are you thinking?
I'm thinking do we have enough equity to raise with the hand even though there are 7 other players in the hand. If so then I'm all for it. It's just a question and I didn't feel like doing the math myself. Also though by not giving up the strength of the hand we could actually make more money by not raising as some of those marginal hands are going to hit and make a hand a little worse than ours. So I guess would our +EV go up even more if no one suspected us of having a monster.
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Yes I guess that is true. OK I will stick to my original plans and always raise with big hands regardless.Once you move up in limits do you think it pays to be trickier with these hands or basically same strategy...(not sayin I'm movin anytime soon, just wondering)

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Yes I guess that is true. OK I will stick to my original plans and always raise with big hands regardless.Once you move up in limits do you think it pays to be trickier with these hands or basically same strategy...(not sayin I'm movin anytime soon, just wondering)
AA will always be a raise.T9s will always be a raise against 6 players.AK will always be a raise at a table that has 6 callers regularly (i.e., they play too many hands and you have an equity edge)* disclaimer, I don't play higher, so correct me if you do.For me, only thing a big field does is make me not want to raise things like KJ off from MP (I limp), and raise hands like 89s from the BB.
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Actuary is right as far as preflop play goes. (Not that I have ever really played much higher)-----To the OP,You are playing in a casino, against retards, more than likely. Just raise and rake that big pot 30% of the time. This really is a silly question, I don't mean to be rude, but AA has enough equity to raise/cap in a 10-way pot preflop.Here's a good way of looking at it. You are putting in ONE SMALL BET extra. When you put that in, you are guaranteed to get 6 more small bets into the pot when you have the best hand.- Zach

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AA will always be a raise. (I agree)T9s will always be a raise against 6 players.wha?!?!?!
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TB;you don't think T9s is a raise against 6 others preflop from the small blind?- Plays great multiway- Benefits from large pot when we want odds to see all 5 cards we'll be the ones chasing.The converse of not rasing with AT off in the SB after 3 limpers, you don't want to build a pot and be unable to protect your hand against gut shots, etc, so you look to get your opponents to make bigger mistakes post flop maybe I'm all wet.

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Raise. If the tables that loose I wouldn't even worry about disguising my hand. I want to make my opponents pay to see the flop knowing I have the best possible starting hand. However, it doesn't mean that you should jam every street just because you have aces. Also, you can't worry about results. Aces get cracked all the time. Nothing you can do about it. However, you can't let bad beats affect your game. Playing scared and playing weak isn't the best route to take :club:.

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I think it would be a good play, but I'm not ALWAYS raising with 9-10s from the SB. I dont think the EV is high enough to be a constant raise. You won't win as much as you would with A-A, and there are times where your draws won't hit and you end up losing big money with 10 high or bottom pair...I'm not sure tho, it's a new play to me.

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TB;you don't think T9s is a raise against 6 others preflop from the small blind?- Plays great multiway- Benefits from large pot when we want odds to see all 5 cards we'll be the ones chasing.The converse of not rasing with AT off in the SB after 3 limpers, you don't want to build a pot and be unable to protect your hand against gut shots, etc, so you look to get your opponents to make bigger mistakes post flop maybe I'm all wet.
T9s is a raise on the button, but i don't think automatic or even necessarily correct in the small blind.if your opponents are at all able to notice you raising, then it has deception value, and is clearly worthwhile.out of position, i raise it, but i don't think its automatic.
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I set the line at QJs for raising out of the blinds in what is already going to be a large multiway pot.Lower suited connectors may have a bit of value against the field, but what really makes them great is how easily they can be played. Most of their value comes from straights, flushes and two pair combo's; where you're banking on implied odds. The same is basically true for small pairs that you play for set value - which is why i dont raise 66 out of the blinds just because there are 5 weak limpers.

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The difference between T9s and 66, is with T9s you'll often have odds to see the turn, if you raise preflop with 6 others. It's not a play I get the chance to do much, but I'd like to think it's solid.

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The difference between T9s and 66, is with T9s you'll often have odds to see the turn, if you raise preflop with 6 others.
If you 3bet 6's into a field of cold callers and an early position raiser from the big blind and it gets capped behind you, you'll have odds to peel for your set. That's not an argument for doing it though.
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I think it would be a good play, but I'm not ALWAYS raising with 9-10s from the SB. I dont think the EV is high enough to be a constant raise. You won't win as much as you would with A-A, and there are times where your draws won't hit and you end up losing big money with 10 high or bottom pair...I'm not sure tho, it's a new play to me.
You aren't raising or calling with bottom pair. You raise preflop and put in no continuation bet if you completely miss the flop.Also, you are going to lose money on busted draws whether or not you raise preflop.
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If you 3bet 6's into a field of cold callers and an early position raiser from the big blind and it gets capped behind you, you'll have odds to peel for your set. That's not an argument for doing it though.
I can't say it properly; but to me, T9s benefits from a bigger pot as the draws are strong than a set draw and seeing a river is often desired as wellAlso, I think you win more than 20%Rumro:"You aren't raising or calling with bottom pair. You raise preflop and put in no continuation bet if you completely miss the flop."yeah, I jsut skipped over that. good pont
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I can't say it properly; but to me, T9s benefits from a bigger pot as the draws are strong than a set draw and seeing a river is often desired as wellAlso, I think you win more than 20%
The draws ARE stronger. Which is why you dont need the pot to be bloated from preflop action when you flop them.You shouldnt be looking to artificially manufacture odds to peel. Unless you're an action junky.When you flop a gutshot and the pot is a 3 way unraised pot, do you think "damn, i wish i raised preflop so i'd have odds to take one off"?
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The whole 910s brings up some good points as I feel a big hole in my game is playing SB hands well. It seems to me that given that everyone called before you why not just complete the bet in the SB to induce more action on the flop rather than have everyone play passively in checking after you because you raised before the flop.Just a thought...

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The draws ARE stronger. Which is why you dont need the pot to be bloated from preflop action when you flop them.You shouldnt be looking to artificially manufacture odds to peel. Unless you're an action junky.When you flop a gutshot and the pot is a 3 way unraised pot, do you think "damn, i wish i raised preflop so i'd have odds to take one off"?
I knew that was coming.But I go back to value.We have a slight value edge that we push, and it allows us to have odds to see two more cards, often. I would not raise just to bloat a pot in hopes to dbl my chances to hit a 4 outter. Much of our edge comes from getting to see the turn and river in a multiway pot. Tieing a villain's TP or Two Pair hand to the pot will also pay off for us.You can have the last word Abba.
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Using pokerstove,The breakeven point for where 109s will be even money against a field of 5 limpers (as in, you neither have an edge, nor do you have a deficit), is when they're limping with the top 40% of their starting hands. Obviously this doesnt account for the fact that premium hands will be raised. You can discount that a bit, but they still have to be pretty damn loose to have value.And even when you have value, im not sure it's necessary to push tiny edges when they'll otherwise make huge errors post flop precisely because the pot is small.This isnt like AK where our edge is massive.

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