teddyKGB 0 Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Where is Howard Lederer...he has been missing for around 3 months.Discuss. Link to post Share on other sites
econ_tim 0 Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 the answer is obvious. he got hit by a bus. Link to post Share on other sites
Drwnded 0 Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 He's playing on Full Tilt a lot. He was in 2 tournies that I played in this past weekend. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 He wears a suit now and makes all the mpney Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Where is Howard Lederer...he has been missing for around 3 months.Discuss.Who gives a shit. Link to post Share on other sites
Canary3 1 Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 I dont care where he is..... because howard lederer is rigged Link to post Share on other sites
sirch1 0 Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 i would definately like to see him play some more tournaments, its always cool to see him play on tv Link to post Share on other sites
teddyKGB 0 Posted April 3, 2006 Author Share Posted April 3, 2006 the answer is obvious. he got hit by a bus.This is after going broke in the big game right? Link to post Share on other sites
Foulky 0 Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 He stopped playing in WPT events because of the contract that they make the players sign to play in their events. I don't know if you remember Daniel mentioning this in his blog a few months ago, but Daniel was worried that the contract would keep him from playing in the WPT events, but it didn't. However, some players did stop playing in the WPT events because in order to do so you give them the right to use your name and picture. Howard is taking full advantage of the business side of poker, and he is now announcing PS3. I don't expect to see him playing in poker tournaments until the World Series, or maybe he'll play in a Circuit event before that. Link to post Share on other sites
Yoda 1 Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Raymer also stopped playing in WPT events - he was talkin about it on Stars last week. WPT seems to handle it very professionally at least according to what DN had to say about it - so I don't know why some of the pro's are so whiny about it. Link to post Share on other sites
Canary3 1 Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 The contract thing is a big deal, I understand that. But i think the players are more worried about how the final table is such a crapshoot. The WPT doesnt even let you play poker at the final table, the blinds go up so fast. Link to post Share on other sites
chrozzo 19 Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 hes sitting at home counting his mobney Link to post Share on other sites
champsox 0 Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 The contract thing is a big deal, I understand that. But i think the players are more worried about how the final table is such a crapshoot. The WPT doesnt even let you play poker at the final table, the blinds go up so fast.I think that they are worried about this and that's why they're forming groups such as the WPF, but I don't see it forcing them to not play in the WPT events. The exposure they get from being at a WPT final table is far too valuable to them to pass up. Link to post Share on other sites
Shizzmoney 0 Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Raymer also stopped playing in WPT events - he was talkin about it on Stars last week. WPT seems to handle it very professionally at least according to what DN had to say about it - so I don't know why some of the pro's are so whiny about it.Well, both Lederer and Raymer are in a video game that was done by Crave, so they are probably worried about the legality of possibly having their likeness being in a WPT video game in the future from a legal perspective. I am sure that both signed a deal that they cant be in another video game, and the WPT form has stuff in it that some players feel is sketchy.I can see the whine point, but yet again, if I was in another video game, I'd want to honor my contract too and play it safe.The exposure they get from being at a WPT final table is far too valuable to them to pass up.Well, Howard already won 2 WPT titles, as well as being in the WPT Battle of Champions, Season 2. So he might not have the drive to win that one as much. Plus the blind structures I think are a disadvantage for most pros, especially the tight conservative ones. Mizrachi's style suits the WPT structure well because that mofo is willing to gamble, hence why he has had alot of success. I mean, we all saw the guy who called James' all-in a few weeks ago with J10o because, "he was tired and wanted to go to bed". That's the type of stuff that makes most pros want to probably play a cash game instead.What I am really interested in is when the WPT 25K championship at the Bellagio comes up. I wonder if these players will still not play, because there is a HUGE prize pool and lots at stake there. Link to post Share on other sites
Desslock 0 Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Yeah, it seems like the main complaint pros have against the WPT is the blind structure of the final table, not the contract - guys like Andy Bloch being the exception.The blind structure is retarded, and really overemphasizes luck over skill -- it's annoying, and has really caused the WPT to lose credibility. I'd much rather see the WSOP circuit events than any WPT event, even though the WPT still has great production values and bigger prizes. Link to post Share on other sites
phlegm 6 Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Raymer also stopped playing in WPT events - he was talkin about it on Stars last week. WPT seems to handle it very professionally at least according to what DN had to say about it - so I don't know why some of the pro's are so whiny about it. I for one have really missed raymer at wpt events. His final table appearances have been memorable to say the least. Link to post Share on other sites
lordofelt 0 Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 Well I agree that the WPT final table is total crapshoot and would like to see them play more poker and make it more about skill Mike Sexton brought up an interesting point about the complaint in a recent cardplayer article. He said that for the reasons listed the blinds needed to be where they were at: production and editting time, keeping the crowd around and euthansized. But his biggest point was that the crapshoot was good for the game. He said the structure made it easier for an amateur to win (obviously) and that this meant more amateurs would see it and be more likely to take a shot at a WPT event, meaning more dead money in the prize pool for the pros to pick up, I thought it was an interesting perspective. Then again he is the WPT's announcer and main PR guy so he might just be blindly defending his employer. Link to post Share on other sites
Foulky 0 Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 The blind structure is not the reason why some pros aren't playing in these WPT events. The blind structure at the final tables are bad but the rest of the tourney has a very good structure. Don't get me wrong the pros don't like the final table structure, but it isn't the reason why some pros aren't playing in these events. The main reason why guys like Daniel and Grinder have had so much success in these events is because the structure throughout the tourney is so deep that it really helps aggressive players that like to see a lot of flops. The final table structure is actually a disadvantage to these more skilled players. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 ...keeping the crowd around and euthansized.I think you were looking for "euthanized", but I'm not sure why you were looking for it since it's entirely misapplied in this context.Maybe 'enthused'? Link to post Share on other sites
BIG_L_RIP 0 Posted April 3, 2006 Share Posted April 3, 2006 perhaps anesthetized?And Lederer is the President of Tiltware, the software supplier for Full Tilt. He's doing just fine gents. Link to post Share on other sites
srblan 0 Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 Howard is preparing to eat a baby for a $15000 bet.During his off time, he fights crime. Link to post Share on other sites
duvie55 0 Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 The Professor is still on tour with the And 1 Mix Tape. Link to post Share on other sites
Canary3 1 Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 The blind structure is not the reason why some pros aren't playing in these WPT events. The blind structure at the final tables are bad but the rest of the tourney has a very good structure. Don't get me wrong the pros don't like the final table structure, but it isn't the reason why some pros aren't playing in these events. The main reason why guys like Daniel and Grinder have had so much success in these events is because the structure throughout the tourney is so deep that it really helps aggressive players that like to see a lot of flops. The final table structure is actually a disadvantage to these more skilled players.You bring out my point exactly.... great structure through the whole tournament .... and then when the big money is on the line... it becomes a total crapshoot Link to post Share on other sites
Foulky 0 Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 You bring out my point exactly.... great structure through the whole tournament .... and then when the big money is on the line... it becomes a total crapshootYea the pros do not like the final table structure at all, but that really isn't the major reason why they refuse to play in WPT events. It might be one thing they would like to change, but the number one issue at hand is the contract. Link to post Share on other sites
Wandigo 1 Posted April 4, 2006 Share Posted April 4, 2006 I just got one of those FullTilt "Tips from the pros" in my inbox from Howard... So he's not completely gone. Link to post Share on other sites
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