daniel! please don't...

[JFarrell20 1]

Danny....maybe the next time you are in Tunica and going to limp into a pot with 97s.....you should maybe fold it and take a stroll outside.......The majority of black people live in the south.I have been almost everywhere in this country....and you should think about changing your statement to: "There are alot of people in the north that have never seen a black person."Your statement was ignorant and offensive.

OK, I didn't start this thread to rip on Daniel. I think this has gone far enough. You are correct in saying that there are a LOT of African-American's in the South these days. Daniel doesn't deserve to get dragged through the mud on this one. I like his journal. I think it's pretty clear to him by now that he made some generalizations that he shouldn't have. Case closed.

[ChkDeezNuts 0]

Danny....maybe the next time you are in Tunica and going to limp into a pot with 97s.....you should maybe fold it and take a stroll outside.......The majority of black people live in the south.I have been almost everywhere in this country....and you should think about changing your statement to: "There are alot of people in the north that have never seen a black person."Your statement was ignorant and offensive.

OK, I didn't start this thread to rip on Daniel. I think this has gone far enough. You are correct in saying that there are a LOT of African-American's in the South these days. Daniel doesn't deserve to get dragged through the mud on this one. I like his journal. I think it's pretty clear to him by now that he made some generalizations that he shouldn't have. Case closed.

I don't think it's that clear to him.....I like his journal too....but his statement was downright offensive.

[jakoye 0]

You are correct in saying that there are a LOT of African-American's in the South these days.

No, there have ALWAYS been a lot of blacks in the South... that's where the majority of slavery took place and that's where the majority of them settled after the Civil War. The anachorism was the limited migration of some to Northern cities, which still remain segregated to this day.In the South, there is more integration in general, simply because there is a more even balance in numbers between the white and black populations. And the South is the ONLY place in America where you will find a black majority in a sizeable piece of territory (larger than a big city neighborhood such as Harlem).

Daniel doesn't deserve to get dragged through the mud on this one.

Well, he made a statement out of ignorance, which is something he chides others for doing when it comes to how they treat other people of other races. So there's a little hypocrisy involved on his part.And it's more than just this one statement... he always seems to be pointing out how tolerant Canadians are and seems to imply that us poor, backwards Americans are not.I think the guy's a great poker player and very generous to maintain an active online journal and site. But that doesn't mean he doesn't get it wrong sometimes.

Case closed.

C'mon, man. It's not yours to close! Free speech!

[KDawgCometh 2]

Some of what he said may be offensive, but seriously think about, how much of it is true? a lot more then we'd like to think. His criticism was more on teh media for how the portray African-Americans then on one region in specific. Racisim occurs all over America still to this day, but in a more subtle way then in the 60s.

[jakoye 0]

the thing we don't know is what kind of mail Barry might be getting. We didn't know about the death threats the Hammerin Hank got until a few years ago. Barry could very well be going through these things too, just we wouldn't know about it. The racism today is much more subtle than it was 30/40 years ago and I do feel that race plays a bigger part in this then we'd like to think.

Are you saying he gets racist (omg, they censored the word: r.a.c.i.s.t.) hate mail? I'm sure he does, but your previous post implied that you believed the story of Bonds steroid use was being covered differently because he was black. I don't see what that has to do with him receiving hate mail.Are you saying the media is racist (r.a.c.i.s.t.)? I don't see it. The columnists who write the unvarnished truth about Bonds do so, if anything, because Bonds is generally an a.s.s. to them. Any sports figure, white or black, is gonna get flack from the media if he doesn't treat them well. And Barry doesn't treat the media well at all, as evidenced by his recent new conference.

I personally don't feel that Barry "knowingly" took roids. I put knowingly in quotes because he probably didn't want to know that what he was being given is more than likely very shady

I'm not sure why you give him the benefit of the doubt here. But even letting him off to the degree that you do, you still think that he "didn't want to know" what he was taking, because then he'd KNOW he was doing something illegal. Whatever. That's splitting hairs. He took steroids and I find it hard to believe he was doped unwillingly. He can claim that his lifelong friend gave him steroids against his will, but does that really fly? And if this indeed was the case, don't you think Barry would have disowned the friend who was drugging him and cried "I was duped" at the top of his lungs so as to protect his reputation? Ah, but we see none of that.Bonds is a pig. And so is Bill Romanowski. They've got different skin colors, but they're both punks, which is infinitely more important in my book when it comes to laying judgement on them.

[jakoye 0]

Some of what he said may be offensive, but seriously think about, how much of it is true? a lot more then we'd like to think. His criticism was more on teh media for how the portray African-Americans then on one region in specific. Racisim occurs all over America still to this day, but in a more subtle way then in the 60s.

I hear what you're sayin, KDawg. I'm not saying that there isn't any racism in America. That would be insane. The only thing I was pointing out is that Daniel was buying into a stereotype about a region of the US, while at the same time decrying people for buying into stereotypes about racial groups. Just seemed a little hypocritical to me.And yeah, I guess I'm a little tired of Canadians in general foisting this notion that they're somehow morally superior to Americans because they don't have the same stains on their history as we do. I think we can all agree that many of those stains have been paid for with blood, none more so than the Civil War itself, to the tune of 600,000+ deaths.Whatever, I'm rambling now. :-)

[KDawgCometh 2]

the thing we don't know is what kind of mail Barry might be getting. We didn't know about the death threats the Hammerin Hank got until a few years ago. Barry could very well be going through these things too, just we wouldn't know about it. The racism today is much more subtle than it was 30/40 years ago and I do feel that race plays a bigger part in this then we'd like to think.

Are you saying he gets censored (omg, they censored the word: r.a.c.i.s.t.) hate mail? I'm sure he does, but your previous post implied that you believed the story of Bonds steroid use was being covered differently because he was black. I don't see what that has to do with him receiving hate mail.Are you saying the media is censored (r.a.c.i.s.t.)? I don't see it. The columnists who write the unvarnished truth about Bonds do so, if anything, because Bonds is generally an a.s.s. to them. Any sports figure, white or black, is gonna get flack from the media if he doesn't treat them well. And Barry doesn't treat the media well at all, as evidenced by his recent new conference.

I personally don't feel that Barry "knowingly" took roids. I put knowingly in quotes because he probably didn't want to know that what he was being given is more than likely very shady

I'm not sure why you give him the benefit of the doubt here. But even letting him off to the degree that you do, you still think that he "didn't want to know" what he was taking, because then he'd KNOW he was doing something illegal. Whatever. That's splitting hairs. He took steroids and I find it hard to believe he was doped unwillingly. He can claim that his lifelong friend gave him steroids against his will, but does that really fly? And if this indeed was the case, don't you think Barry would have disowned the friend who was drugging him and cried "I was duped" at the top of his lungs so as to protect his reputation? Ah, but we see none of that.Bonds is a pig. And so is Bill Romanowski. They've got different skin colors, but they're both punks, which is infinitely more important in my book when it comes to laying judgement on them.

obvioulsy you chopped up the post to suit your argument. I put knowingly i quotes becasue he wanted to play out of sight, out of mind. Kinda like the Regan era games that Politicians would play in that they know its probably nor good, but they do things as such so that they don't have to lie under oath. McGwire more then .likely used roids too, so do you feel the same about him?I can tell you that he didn't get that big from Andro alone, and people trying to defend him should ask why are we defending him, and what is our REAL reason

[PWetz00 0]

Blinkers.... I think after reading my post... that was your cue to chime in on the subject if you were going to reply.I have never been there.... so obviously, someone who's at least been down there.... would most likely have a better understanding of the situation....That's where I left it at.... I don't know anything besides what I read / watch on TV..... you, being from Nashville would be better suited to talk about it... which I was hoping for. And yes... common sense..... I will accept a Canadian's opinion because he's at least been to the South. Does it make sense now?

[jakoye 0]

obvioulsy you chopped up the post to suit your argument.

No, I didn't. Not sure where you get that impression from.

I put knowingly i quotes becasue he wanted to play out of sight, out of mind.

Yeah, I referenced that. I just don't think it's very believable that one of his lifelong friends would dope Barry against his will. I just don't buy it. Would you do that to one of your friends?But it's ok if you want to believe differently. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Kinda like the Regan era games that Politicians would play in that they know its probably nor good, but they do things as such so that they don't have to lie under oath.

Do you really want to limit that to the "Reagan era"? Seems like there's plenty of political crime to go around throughout American history!

McGwire more then .likely used roids too, so do you feel the same about him?I can tell you that he didn't get that big from Andro alone, and people trying to defend him should ask why are we defending him, and what is our REAL reason

Yeah, I think McGwire did steroids. Yeah, I think that was wrong of him. Yeah, I think that makes him a cheater. Yeah, I think his records should be struck from the record books. But I also know that it will never happen because nobody can prove that he did steroids. With Bonds, we already have the proof that he did steroids. The only thing in question is whether he did them knowingly or not. We just happen to come down on different sides of that issue.I think the one of the main reasons I hate Bonds (putting aside the steroids issue) is because I used to live in the Bay Area and I read a lot of articles about him in the San Francisco Chronicle. Invariably, those articles revealed Bonds to be a selfish, egotistical, garbage pail of a human being. The other reason is that he was a Giant, whereas I was an A's fan. Didn't matter that he was black, just that he wore black, white and orange.

[PWetz00 0]

Wait.... he's not from Canada... my bad for not noticing this before I posted.I referenced what Jakoye said....... Not in response to Daniel's comments, that was the point of my first line there.My fault for not making it any clearer, I think? But I thought I had referenced that earlier.Seattle, WA wouldn't be Canada. Just want to make sure I got that one out there too.Jakoye made some pretty knowledgeable comments..... IMHO.... and again, I haven't been anywhere south of St. Louis, MO.... still a midwestern atmosphere.

[jakoye 0]

I can tell you that he didn't get that big from Andro alone, and people trying to defend him should ask why are we defending him, and what is our REAL reason

The only person I'll defend in this whole situation is Giambi, who at least admitted to knowingly taking steroids, which is the crime that I think both Bonds and McGwire are guilty of, but both have denied.I always prefer the guy who does something wrong but then owns up to it over the guy who does something wrong and then lies about it.

[jakoye 0]

Wait.... he's not from Canada... my bad for not noticing this before I posted.I referenced what Jakoye said....... Not in response to Daniel's comments, that was the point of my first line there.My fault for not making it any clearer, I think? But I thought I had referenced that earlier.Seattle, WA wouldn't be Canada. Just want to make sure I got that one out there too.Jakoye made some pretty knowledgeable comments..... IMHO.... and again, I haven't been anywhere south of St. Louis, MO.... still a midwestern atmosphere.

My travels to the South have been limited to Mississippi, Alabama, Florida and Texas. So my experience is fairly limited. But I have spent months in each of those places, so I was able to get somewhat of a feel for the areas. Plus I have a ton of indirect experience from reading and such... I'm not an authority on the region at all, but I think I'm a bit more of an authority than Daniel!

[AceyDeucy 0]

As my dedicated fan (myself) will tell you, I live in Georgia. I would make the point differently, as such:The South is unfairly presently stereotyped as being overwhelmingly racist. It does irk me a bit to get this "guilty by geography" thing going, but here's the deal. Racism flourishes where education doesn't. in the back woods of Georgia, it is easy to find racism aflower. Of course, it is equally easy to finds in the small rural parts of massachusetts, North Dakota, or anywhere else in the world, not just the US. As a Southernor, I am tired of getting blamed for it NOW, because of the dispicable history the South had with regards to Civil Rights for so long. Of course, the Civil Rights movement also started in the South, and more minorities live here now than anywhere else. And not only do they live here, they go to college and succeed more in the South than anywhere else. The horrific, jaw-dropping racism people assocaite with the South I have truly only encoutered in New England. Maybe people hear my accent and draw the wrong conclusion about me.But here's another point. I DIDN'T start this thread. Why? Because Daniel, and everyone else has just as much a right to their opinion as I have to my own. And I carry no delusions about changing anyone's mind on this, including Daniel's. Just because I assume the title of expert because I live in Dixie doesn't mean I have the right to tell people what to think about the region I call home.So, here's a short version:Daniel: I think you're off-base in calling out the South specifically, but your thesis as a whole couldn't be truer.Everyone else: He'd be the first to tell you he's just a poker player. Let it go.

[Guest]

Skipping all the other crap:Even in liberal New Jersey' date=' my ex's mother used the N word often- and not in the cool smooth way I do when I'm with friends. It was really, really, offended.Let me start with this phrase in red ......There is NO acceptable way to use the N word, if you're black & if you're not. This world has become a place where ignorance is "cool" & to say it's cool & smooth to use the N word is a disgrace to ALL those who paid the price by being beaten & worked to death & disgraced by this word.most people alive have NO CLUE what those people went through & no clue what some still go through YET, it's cool to use that word?? Shame on any of you that think so. And for those that disagree i'm guessing your children will be washing cars for a living one day because they probably wanna "Just keep it real" & not waste time with school. Also most people hate Bonds because he's a egotistical, cheating a-hole that only cares about himself. He doesn't deserve the HR record,,,he CHOKES in the playoffs when most great players step up, then says "i got you here, carry me the rest of the way" that's not a GREAT players attitude. Heck he used to watch balls go over his head he thought were homeruns only to see them hit off the fence for extra bases....great player sure just not DESERVING of any glory.Anyone that thinks he was in the dark about what he was doing is DELUSIONAL....like others have said these guys can tell you which part of their fart was the breakfast portion of their day, they KNOW what they put on their body.So Bonds can cry racism all he wants but how many TRULY life affecting moments of racism do you think a rich kid like bonds faced while growing up in his rich neighborhood? MAYBE some sure,,,,but to cry racism here i think is just sour grapes for him creating a person we could hate wether he's black or not.

[wrto4556 0]

I do think however that it remains a major problem in certain parts of the south and in the heartland.

It's the same everywhere. It's not just the south, that was 100 years ago.I went to school at University of Houston in Texas, and white people are a minority to asians and african-americans. We all got along fine.It's actually calm enough to poke fun at race.Black freinds would ask me if my stocks are up, I would ask if their welfare check came in. I would tell asian freinds, "I know you did your homework so let me see it."It's all in good fun, I assure you.PS. I mean to offense with the steroe types used in this thread. Just because your white doesn't make you a dork. Just because your black doesn't make you poor. Just because your asian doesn't make you disciplined.