Kd 10d Big Blind, Really Early In 18 Man Sng.

[Bubba83 0]

4th hand of 18 person sattellite sit n go that gives away 4 $24+$2 entry chips on full tilt.Buy in was $6+$.60No reads.Blinds 15/30Dealt Kd 10d in BB.Have 1500 in chips before I post the BB.UTG limps, UTG+1 limps, folds to SB who completes, I check.Flop is 10s 9c 5dSB bets 120 (pot size), I raise to 240, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, SB calls.Turn is KcSB checks, I bet 900, UTG moves in for 1420 total, UTG+1 calls, SB folds, Do I call my last 330 chips off? Did I play the rest of this hand bad?

[therrinn 0]

4th hand of 18 person sattellite sit n go that gives away 4 $24+$2 entry chips on full tilt.Buy in was $6+$.60No reads.Blinds 15/30Dealt Kd 10d in BB.Have 1500 in chips before I post the BB.UTG limps, UTG+1 limps, folds to SB who completes, I check.Flop is 10s 9c 5dSB bets 120 (pot size), I raise to 240, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, SB calls.Turn is KcSB checks, I bet 900, UTG moves in for 1420 total, UTG+1 calls, SB folds, Do I call my last 330 chips off? Did I play the rest of this hand bad?

You clearly call off your last 330 chips there, there's absolutely no question about that. As to how you played the hand up to there...I'd raise it more after sb's initial bet - why did you min-raise? with a hand like yours on that board, I'd want to thin the field down so that someone doesn't call with a middle pair and make trips or some funky two pair. Raise it up to 350 to go, if you get played back at you can fold easily. The way you played it, once you saw the turn....well, if you fold there you have 1200ish left in chips, which is very respectable. Ask yourself this question: What is your bet getting called by that you have beat?

[Frinkenstein 0]

4th hand of 18 person sattellite sit n go that gives away 4 $24+$2 entry chips on full tilt.Buy in was $6+$.60No reads.Blinds 15/30Dealt Kd 10d in BB.Have 1500 in chips before I post the BB.UTG limps, UTG+1 limps, folds to SB who completes, I check.Flop is 10s 9c 5dSB bets 120 (pot size), I raise to 240, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, SB calls.Turn is KcSB checks, I bet 900, UTG moves in for 1420 total, UTG+1 calls, SB folds, Do I call my last 330 chips off? Did I play the rest of this hand bad?

This is a bit ugly I think.First, I have great dislike for you min raise to 240. You should have raised to at least 360 (3X villains bet). I'd probably go to 400 though. The problem with your raise is that it doesn't give the SB a chance to fold. If he's going to bet 120, he's definitely got to call your raise. Those over calls (cold calls at that) are worrisome.Your turn bet of 900 seems good. You've just made two pair, which is a strong hand. Actually, you probably should have just pushed all in at this point since betting 900 leaves you with only 330 chips as you mentioned. As you saw, you got raised and had to call the rest of your chips off. You'd have done better to just push, which would have given you a little more "Fold Equity".UTG moving in, then UTG+1 calling definitely worries me. But, at this point you simply cannot fold. You've pot committed yourself. In a pot this size, you'd have to be darn near absolutely certain that you're beat to lay this down.So, you don't want to, but you must call. Someone probably has a set. Or, more likely is QJ for the straight.

[Bubba83 0]

I think I min-raised because I thought there wasn't much of a chance the people behind me would call a bet and a raise cold, and I thought if SB comes over the top I save more chips this way. The min-raise can be a symbol of strength so if SB comes over the top of that it would be an easy lay down and leave me with more chips than if I tripled or the like. It was probably also due to the fact that I don't like getting too crazy early since I don't know anyone at the table and how they play. Results in white:UTG had 99, his play was awful, imo, in fact, if he had played the hand how he should have I wouldn't have busted. The bet and the raise on the flop should tell him that 2 people have strong hands, meaning he will get action. Why wait for an overcard on the turn that will either scare the people who like their hands now away or complete someones straight that is holding QJ or KJ?But he ended up just cold-calling and left UTG+1 with some odds to draw to his straight with Qh Jh, which hit on the turn.

[GoCryWolfe 0]

I guess I am confused as to how you say he played it awful. He set a rather well trap and got as many chips as he possibly could. Limping in preflop is a little shaky with pocket 9's, but even if he does the standard 3x the BB raise, you still call the raise in the BB and lose all your chips the same way you did. In my opinion, 99 played this beautifully.

[Bubba83 0]

99 cold called a bet and a raise on the flop, and let an open ended straight draw outdraw him. Two people CLEARLY liked their hand on the flop, which was 10 high, most of the time an overcard comes on the turn those people that liked their hand on the flop won't like their hand anymore, giving him no action. It's one thing to slow play trips on a board like this when it doesn't look like anyone likes their hand. Then you can hope for an overcard on the turn that might connect with someone's KQ or the like. But it would be best for the 99 to get action now in this hand.You probably didn't highlight the whole results, under the 99 i said that UTG+1 had QJ and won with a straight. I bet if you had seen this you would have agreed about how poorly he played the hand, since it seems like you're thinking results based. Do you know how perfectly the turn had to come for him to get followup action out of me?His limp preflop was fine, never attacked that.

[strategy 4]

99 cold called a bet and a raise on the flop, and let an open ended straight draw outdraw him. Two people CLEARLY liked their hand on the flop, which was 10 high, most of the time an overcard comes on the turn those people that liked their hand on the flop won't like their hand anymore, giving him no action. It's one thing to slow play trips on a board like this when it doesn't look like anyone likes their hand. Then you can hope for an overcard on the turn that might connect with someone's KQ or the like. But it would be best for the 99 to get action now in this hand.

I agree that at the lower levels, it is usually always a mistake to do anything but fastplay your big hands. There's no benefit to slowplaying when the majority of your opponents are loose-passive.

You probably didn't highlight the whole results, under the 99 i said that UTG+1 had QJ and won with a straight. I bet if you had seen this you would have agreed about how poorly he played the hand, since it seems like you're thinking results based. Do you know how perfectly the turn had to come for him to get followup action out of me?His limp preflop was fine, never attacked that.

No offense, but I laughed when I read this. He's being results-oriented because he didn't look at the rest of the results that you posted? :)As for thinking the min-raise would glean some information: it's the amount of the bet and raise that counts. I only use the min-raise when I know I am playing against someone who understands the significance of the move.

[amarillotg 0]

haven't read the results.like most have said, i'd raise a little more on the flop. with the 2 cold calls behind you and the sb making a trivial call, im not very happy with the way things turned out.with no fd out there, im thinking someone has to have either 78 or QJ. when the K hits the turn you're either way ahead or way behind. i'd like to check and see what goes on behind me. its a little weak, but it'll conserve chips when your behind and the free card that you might give someone drawing at a OESD is a minor risk.at the sametime, its $6 buy-in and its real hard to give unknowns at this level any sort of credit so i don't think your play is wrong. i probably play it the same in real time.reading results:yeah that sucks. i don't think the 99 played it horrible. i would have probably raised but i guess maybe he was hoping sb would come back over the top and you'd be trapped in the middle.

[Bubba83 0]

when the K hits the turn you're either way ahead or way behind. i'd like to check and see what goes on behind me. its a little weak, but it'll conserve chips when your behind and the free card that you might give someone drawing at a OESD is a minor risk.

So we can watch a queen or jack come on the river and see 4 to a straight on the board?

[amarillotg 0]

So we can watch a queen or jack come on the river and see 4 to a straight on the board?

im not sure what you mean. the point of my post was that you're either way out in front and your opponents are drawing to 8 outs or less or you are way behind and drawing to 4 outs.if you check with the best hand and it gets checked through behind you and your opponents that are on draws get a free card that sucks but i don't think its the end of the world.if they have something that you're currently beating than they can't be much more than 15% to make there hand on the river.

[Bubba83 0]

I have 3 opponents still in on this turn card. Collectively, they have a whole lot more outs than 8 against my hand. I don't think checking here is ever a good option. Though I do agree I should have raised larger on the flop.

[nomad_monad 0]

I think I min-raised because I thought there wasn't much of a chance the people behind me would call a bet and a raise cold, and I thought if SB comes over the top I save more chips this way. The min-raise can be a symbol of strength so if SB comes over the top of that it would be an easy lay down and leave me with more chips than if I tripled or the like.

Slight tangent - yes, the minraise can be a symbol of strength, but I find that quite often a minraise is greeted with a push/large re-raise. What looks like an easy laydown to you could just as easily be someone playing back at you after reading the min-raise as a "i have a piece of the flop too but could you tell me how well you connected?" In other words, you're minraising to save some chips in case the original bettor comes over the top, but the fact that you're minraising will often encourage someone to come over the top.Based on your response, it seems like one of the main motivations for your minraise was to define your hand, and often it isn't sufficient to accomplish this, especially with people left to act that just cold call. They will likely be getting odds to cold call with a draw, and so will the original bettor, and this makes it harder to put people on a hand since you've basically expanded the hand ranges that they could be calling with. In this situation, just about the only time a minraise well defines your hand is if someone cold calls behind you and the original bettor pushes/re-raises. I think one valid spot for minraising is when you have a hand similar to this (ok but still somewhat marginal), it is heads-up, and you want to define your hand but anything larger than a minraise will probably potstick you, but at the same time if the opponent calls your minraise it will likely potstick him. You keep the pot smaller and keep yourself from becoming committed in a marginal situation while gaining much more information with a minraise due to its strength relative to your opponent's stack size.