screech 0 Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is UTG with [Kd], [Ah]. Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls.Flop: (6 SB) [9d], [9c], [Td] (3 players)SB bets, BB folds, Hero calls.Turn: (4 BB) [Tc] (2 players)SB betsWhat's my plan? All I know about villian is that he cold called pf and donked the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
aim786 0 Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 I'd like to say call down, but I don't know how 5/10 plays.He could have A high like you, or a PP that just got counterfeited. I don't put him on a 9 or T here. Link to post Share on other sites
AshleyC 0 Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 I'd like to say call down, but I don't know how 5/10 plays.He could have A high like you, or a PP that just got counterfeited. I don't put him on a 9 or T here.I'd probably fold the flop. It seems like you may suggest calling down as you don't seem to give him credit for a 9. I don't like this line. Calling the turn and river would cost you 2BB, so instead why not raise the turn (2BB)? If you are 3 bet then you can easily fold, likewise if you are called and then face a bet on thr river. Raising the turn you may force hands that are beating you such as any small pair to fold. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted April 1, 2006 Author Share Posted April 1, 2006 I'd probably fold the flop. It seems like you may suggest calling down as you don't seem to give him credit for a 9. I don't like this line. Calling the turn and river would cost you 2BB, so instead why not raise the turn (2BB)? If you are 3 bet then you can easily fold, likewise if you are called and then face a bet on thr river. Raising the turn you may force hands that are beating you such as any small pair to fold.I disagree with your suggestion to fold in this hand, but I like your turn suggestion. Immediately after I called, I knew I should have raised (I am ahead of a small pair though ). The reasons I think I should raise are:1) If he has an ace, I would like him to fold.2) He may have a straight draw, in which case he has a ton of outs against me. If I can convince him he's drawing dead only a small portion of the time, it's good for me. Link to post Share on other sites
PoppinFresh 0 Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 Interesting, I wouldn't have thought to raise this turn but it does look best Link to post Share on other sites
greatwhite 0 Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 I'd probably fold the flop. It seems like you may suggest calling down as you don't seem to give him credit for a 9. I don't like this line. Calling the turn and river would cost you 2BB, so instead why not raise the turn (2BB)? If you are 3 bet then you can easily fold, likewise if you are called and then face a bet on thr river. Raising the turn you may force hands that are beating you such as any small pair to fold.You beat any small pair already. I prefer calling down. You invest the same amount and if they have a small pocket pair you let them bluff their chips away. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted April 2, 2006 Author Share Posted April 2, 2006 You beat any small pair already. I prefer calling down. You invest the same amount and if they have a small pocket pair you let them bluff their chips away.That's why I called down at the time. Wouldn't it be nice ot get KJ to fold? After all, he has 7 outs against me. And other ace high hands would be nice to fold too. Link to post Share on other sites
AshleyC 0 Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 I'd probably fold the flop. It seems like you may suggest calling down as you don't seem to give him credit for a 9. I don't like this line. Calling the turn and river would cost you 2BB, so instead why not raise the turn (2BB)? If you are 3 bet then you can easily fold, likewise if you are called and then face a bet on thr river. Raising the turn you may force hands that are beating you such as any small pair to fold.Sorry I misread the turn card, I thought it was a blank. Reading it correctly, I think that it depends on the player. Call a LAG, raise a tightie. Link to post Share on other sites
greatwhite 0 Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 That's why I called down at the time. Wouldn't it be nice ot get KJ to fold? After all, he has 7 outs against me. And other ace high hands would be nice to fold too.It would be nice to know that he had KJ. If you knew he had KJ you would want him to call your bet, not fold, due to the relative size of the pot. However, if you check he will often bet KJ or a now insignificant pair. To bet this type of turn, I'd have to be up against someone who would not raise me without a ten or nine in his hand. If he will not bluff you I see value. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted April 2, 2006 Author Share Posted April 2, 2006 It would be nice to know that he had KJ. If you knew he had KJ you would want him to call your bet, not fold, due to the relative size of the pot. However, if you check he will often bet KJ or a now insignificant pair. To bet this type of turn, I'd have to be up against someone who would not raise me without a ten or nine in his hand. If he will not bluff you I see value.KJ would have 7 outs against me on the turn. If I can get him to fold getting 7:1 that's huge for me. Any Ax is just as big. It doesn't have to happen often. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerplayer24 0 Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 KJ would have 7 outs against me on the turn. If I can get him to fold getting 7:1 that's huge for me. Any Ax is just as big. It doesn't have to happen often.I dont think you're folding Ax ever. If hes the type of player to bet out with A high I think in most cases he'll call down with it.I also don't see you folding a KQ, KJ or QJish type hand that would have all those outs. Your call flop, raise turn line just seems way to much like a line A high would take rather then a boat.I think the turn is still a raise but just for the sole reason that we are charging draws. Link to post Share on other sites
greatwhite 0 Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 By saying that he will get 7-1, you are saying raise the turn? What if he reraises, which he might on a bluff. In fact I might. Then are you going to lay it down or call down? Link to post Share on other sites
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