Scott3705 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 1/2 NLVillain is a complete donk, but he's a lucky donk, he's built his stack to $700 at points, down to $300 and back up. I've taken one big pot from him where I got $220 in preflop w/ KK against his 44. He limp raised from UTG and reraised me after I popped him again. This man is my target for the night. Also, he seems to get into "pissin" matches quite often.Stacks: Me:$550 Villain: $700villain limps from UTG, I raise from MP2 with AA to $10. (Overbet on my part, but I want to get this pot heads up and I know he's calling.), villain callsFLOP: $225 2 6 Villain bets $15, I raise to $50, Villain callsTurn: $1224 Villian checks, I bet $100, Villain raises to $200, I call $100(Now,mistake on this street? My feeling at the time was that I was not behind, but as he is very loose w/ his preflop selection, I was not positive I was head either. I was not concerned with him having a 3 because a 3 honestly didn't make a whole lot of sense to me)River 2 $522Villain bets $100, Clearly not folding here, I am ahead far too many times against this opponent. Question tho is whether pushing here is right. I think I run into the 3 once in awhile. (Villain plays 78 differently at the turn I think). But villain is going to call w/ just a sixe , 56, 64.sHould I just be happy getting to showdown on such a big pot? Link to post Share on other sites
nickforgot 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 If you really think you got him here then sure call why not?But like you said he's donkey so dont go broke here, many conservative players will fold here and wait for a better spot.This is a totally read based play here that you are making and like you said he's a donk so there is a chance he has pocket 3's, and such, its hard to read donks because they can have anything, thats why more tighter/conservative players will fold here and pick him off in a better spot.Anyways, its a read based call and if you have him on a 56 or A6 type hand call, you just dont want to go broke here, which has happened to me many a time. Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Beal 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 1/2 NLVillain is a complete donk, but he's a lucky donk, he's built his stack to $700 at points, down to $300 and back up. I've taken one big pot from him where I got $220 in preflop w/ KK against his 44. He limp raised from UTG and reraised me after I popped him again. This man is my target for the night. Also, he seems to get into "pissin" matches quite often.Stacks: Me:$550 Villain: $700villain limps from UTG, I raise from MP2 with AA to $10. (Overbet on my part, but I want to get this pot heads up and I know he's calling.), villain callsFLOP: $225 2 6 Villain bets $15, I raise to $50, Villain callsTurn: $1224 Villian checks, I bet $100, Villain raises to $200, I call $100(Now,mistake on this street? My feeling at the time was that I was not behind, but as he is very loose w/ his preflop selection, I was not positive I was head either. I was not concerned with him having a 3 because a 3 honestly didn't make a whole lot of sense to me)River 2 $522Villain bets $100, Clearly not folding here, I am ahead far too many times against this opponent. Question tho is whether pushing here is right. I think I run into the 3 once in awhile. (Villain plays 78 differently at the turn I think). But villain is going to call w/ just a sixe , 56, 64.sHould I just be happy getting to showdown on such a big pot?Boy, that bet sizing on the turn and river from a good player indicate to me he wants a call, but you know your player. I'd probably just call and wouldn't be surprised to see him show A3/78 (is he enough of a donk to limp, reraise with THESE holdings?) or (gasp!) 55/66 since he has limp reraised with small pp's before. But he could also show you A6, QQ, JJ, TT. Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Author Share Posted March 31, 2006 If you really think you got him here then sure call why not?But like you said he's donkey so dont go broke here, many conservative players will fold here and wait for a better spot.This is a totally read based play here that you are making and like you said he's a donk so there is a chance he has pocket 3's, and such, its hard to read donks because they can have anything, thats why more tighter/conservative players will fold here and pick him off in a better spot.Anyways, its a read based call and if you have him on a 56 or A6 type hand call, you just dont want to go broke here, which has happened to me many a time.I don't know many players who are going to fold this river getting 6:1 against a total donk who gets out of line far too often. To be clear. Folding did not enter my mind for a second. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 I like just a call, and folding is out of the question. The only real danger I see here is from him having flopped a set and rivered a boat, or he has pocket 3's He bets and and call your raise on the flop, so he's not playing a naked three...I know he's a donk, chases, whatever..but you correctly made it too expensive for anyone except a pure money-hater to call you with less than 33 or an overpair. Frankly he's playing it much like an overpair, much like a donk who hopes his 10-10 is good and you're beating your head against the wall with a lower overpair or AK. I think the equity in keeping a stack on the table vs busting (although you could rebuy) also mandates just a call. With a small but distinct possibility you are beat, let him take the pot down if he does have the best hand, and leave yourself a bit to work back up against him. Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Beal 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 To be clear. Folding did not enter my mind for a second.Nor should it. Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Author Share Posted March 31, 2006 Boy, that bet sizing on the turn and river from a good player indicate to me he wants a call, but you know your player. I'd probably just call and wouldn't be surprised to see him show A3/78 (is he enough of a donk to limp, reraise with THESE holdings?) or (gasp!) 55/66 since he has limp reraised with small pp's before. But he could also show you A6, QQ, JJ, TT. He didn't limp reraise this hand. Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Beal 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 He didn't limp reraise this hand.Oops, my mistake. Was mixing this hand up with the KK vs 44 you described. Link to post Share on other sites
Naismith 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Can I just go ahead and predict the K5 of diamonds?I would not raise here. This would be a pretty lousy spot to go broke.I hope you won this pot. Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Author Share Posted March 31, 2006 I won't tell you my action, but I'll tell you his hand (as we know I got to showdown one way or another) Player has j3o in this spot. I can't figure out if this is an excuse to go broke because he's such a donk and (although he's got me here) I could be ahead quite often or if it's an excuse to just call down.Share one more gem from him too.I raise to 6 with 6 8 UTGI get a call from MP3 and villain on the button.Flop: $20K 9 7 I bet $15, MP3 raises to $45, villain calls, I push for $200 str8, MP3 pushes for $100 more on top, Button calls.MP3 has AK, Button has Aj0 (The ace is not a diamond)I caught the 10 on the turn and he caught the 8 on the river. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 I won't tell you my action, but I'll tell you his hand (as we know I got to showdown one way or another) Player has j3o in this spot. I can't figure out if this is an excuse to go broke because he's such a donk and (although he's got me here) I could be ahead quite often or if it's an excuse to just call down.Share one more gem from him too.I raise to 6 with 6 8 UTGI get a call from MP3 and villain on the button.Flop: $20K 9 7 I bet $15, MP3 raises to $45, villain calls, I push for $200 str8, MP3 pushes for $100 more on top, Button calls.MP3 has AK, Button has Aj0 (The ace is not a diamond)I caught the 10 on the turn and he caught the 8 on the river.Something's rigged. Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Beal 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 I would love to be in this home game/casino table/online table. Be sure you have the donk covered every time you sit down. If you drop below him, go in your pocket. Sit with the max.YUM. YUM. Link to post Share on other sites
oceansize 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 You've invested something like 260 into this pot, clearly folding is not an option, but you really can't gain anything by raising if you read it wrong either. Have to call. Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Author Share Posted March 31, 2006 You've invested something like 260 into this pot, clearly folding is not an option, but you really can't gain anything by raising if you read it wrong either. Have to call.With this player, A5, 56,, 510, 1010, 99, 77, yada yda yada is calling a push. , So i am getting value when villain has these hands. Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan 1 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 i think his bet on the river is a scared bet.he'd value bet, I'd hope, between 250-350 here if he had a really strong hand.if you can deduct with your read that his $100 bet into $500 pot is a "scared" bet, I think you could easily raise if you think he is going to call you with a worse hand. If you don't think he is calling, simply call..but you've already said you think he will call your raise cause he is such a donk.although he could be betting weak trying to act strong...this comes down to his betting habit, of which Ihave no idea.- Jordan Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Author Share Posted March 31, 2006 ialthough he could be betting weak trying to act strong...this comes down to his betting habit, of which Ihave no idea.- Jordanhe didn't either. Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Author Share Posted March 31, 2006 Thanks for the posts.I pushed and went broke. I ran into the str8, but i really thought that I would be missing value against a player like this by not pushing. Maybe it was the 10k upswing I'm on talking too. Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan 1 Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 Thanks for the posts.I pushed and went broke. I ran into the str8, but i really thought that I would be missing value against a player like this by not pushing. Maybe it was the 10k upswing I'm on talking too.10k huh. play $400 NL :)just playing.continued good luck.- Jordan Link to post Share on other sites
PotemkinCity 1 Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 i wont bother giving insight, rough beats, i smell the bad beat forum is in your future.disgusting hands but i think your plays are correct. Link to post Share on other sites
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