Nixed 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Poker Room skinLimit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $0.50/$110 playersConverterPre-flop: (10 players) Hero is MP3 with [Ac] [Tc] UTG folds, UTG+1 calls (1.5:1), UTG+2 calls (2.5:1), MP1 folds, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, CO calls (8.5:3), Button calls (11.5:3), 2 folds, UTG+1 calls (14.5:2), UTG+2 calls (16.5:2), MP2 calls (18.5:1).Table was kinda loose, but I didn't expect this many callers.. is it better to just cold call this? Flop: [8c] [5d] [4c] (19.5SB, 6 players)UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, CO calls (22.5:2), Button 3-bets, UTG+1 calls (27.5:3), UTG+2 calls (30.5:3), MP2 folds, Hero Caps, CO calls (35.5:2), Button calls (37.5:1), UTG+1 calls (38.5:1), UTG+2 calls (39.5:1).I'm pretty sure the cap at the end is good, is the initial raise ok? Turn: [Ks] (20.25BB, 5 players)UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, CO folds, Button raises, UTG+1 calls (23.25:2), UTG+2 calls (25.25:2), Hero calls (27.25:1).I'm now putting in 1/4th of the money and only goina hit the flush 1/5th.. Is this time to just call and hope I hit it. With all this action the over card probably isn't good often enough to make this another raise right? Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmaster05 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Man I haven't played with this many limpers in a while...Is the raiser loose? if so i don't mind the 3 bet, although you're never really getting anyone to go away.Flop is good, turn is ok: the King almost definitely hit someone, if they already didn't hit their hand. An Ace or ten and I would keep betting. The pot is big; if your flush comes on the river you are still getting 3 or 4 calls. Link to post Share on other sites
doubleatrain 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Table was kinda loose, but I didn't expect this many callers.. is it better to just cold call this? I'm pretty sure the cap at the end is good, is the initial raise ok? I'm now putting in 1/4th of the money and only goina hit the flush 1/5th.. Is this time to just call and hope I hit it. With all this action the over card probably isn't good often enough to make this another raise right?1.) I don't mind the raise with ATs, especially if you have any reason to think you'll get the amount of callers you did. I guess this just looks to me like a good result either way. The players behind you fold, you've bought the button. Good. The players behind you call three cold, they put more money in while you very likely have an equity edge. Good. So if the raiser is at all loose, I like the 3-bet.2.) I totally dig the cap. That many people in you've got an edge.3.) I can go either way on the turn bet. You took the lead on the flop with a cap, but that also established that enough people liked their hands, so your having the lead probably doesn't help fold equity. Also the pot is huge, so I wouldn't expect to see anyone fold, and it seems like it's been established that your overcard outs aren't so good. I c/c (unless a bet comes from your left and everyone calls and a raise would be for value...if that makes sense).So all I'm saying is, I can see advantages to both betting and checking the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
devilsslide 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 I call preflop.Flop: You definitely have enough equity here to justify a raise. Also, I'm learning that many players will call two cold. So I think I go with raise here too.Turn: Your reasoning after you bet sounds good to me. 1.5 outs for the overcard (which is generous) and 9 for the flush for a total of about 10.5 outs. Your equity is about 21% and you'd be contributing 25%.What I'm curious about is the initial bet, especially with button's three bet on the flop. Why not just c/c?*********reading replies**********Done reading Link to post Share on other sites
Love4hockey 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 I fold preflop usually, but at the table you are at the three bet looks ok. It seems like a really loose tableCap on flop looks good. ****replies****Nothing to add really. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 I think calling >> 3-betting preflop w/o assurance that at least 2 call behind you. I'm just pulling that number out. But I don't think we want to be 4 handed with this hand. I don't 3-bet the turn, fwiw.I would just c/c turn Link to post Share on other sites
respec 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 I don't know why you 3 bet preflop. ATs doesn't do too well against most legitimate raising hands and if you're calling because you figure the pot to be very multiway then you want to encourage callers, not eliminate them. The flop raise/cap seem fine to me. FWIW the initial flop raise is by far the more debatable of your flop actions, though still easily justifiable. The cap is a no brainer, clearly correct.Turn bet? I don't get it at all. You do NOT have the best hand, you have NO chance of taking the pot down with a bet here, you will almost never have enough equity and get enough callers to bet this for value, you should welcome a freecard, and a raise behind you is the LAST thing you want to have happen with your nut draw. Clear check.3 betting the turn would be sheer madness. You've got 9 outs (if you're lucky) and 3 opponents. You're drawing and don't have anywhere near enough equity to raise for value. Look at a river as cheaply as possible and fold UI, no need for anything fancy. Link to post Share on other sites
thecamelot 0 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 without replies...Preflop: i probably cold call this without a specific reason to 3-betFlop: I'd call and hope someone else later raises so that we can 3-bet. Raising faces everyone with 2 cold. Raising might clean up some ace outs, but I think you win more keeping people in the hand. Cap is def good here.Turn: I might c/r after button 3-bet, trapping everyone for 2+ bets. after replies... ok... at .5/1 raising flop might be good due to lots of people calling 2 anyways. Turn I like c/c >>>> c/r >>>>> b/c. but my c/r might be spewing. i do this a lot. i leak baby! Link to post Share on other sites
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