Flop Check Raise Called, Turn Play?

[AshleyC 0]

Prima Poker skinNo Limit Holdem Ring gameBlinds: $0.10/$0.206 playersConverterStack sizes:UTG: $9.94UTG+1: $16.80CO: $20.88Button: $10.87Hero: $35.50BB: $15.31Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with :D UTG calls $0.2 (pot was $0.3), 2 folds, Button raises to $0.6, Hero calls $0.6 (pot was $1.1), BB folds, UTG calls $0.6 (pot was $1.7).Flop: ($2, 3 players)Hero checks, UTG checks, Button bets $0.2, Hero raises to $1.2, UTG folds, Button calls $1.2 (pot was $3.4).Turn: ($4.4, 2 players)Hero?Villan is 68/9, but only 34 hands, the majority of which have been played very short-handed. He seemed to be making a continuation bet too often, therefore, my thinking was to check-raise the flop. I didn't really like getting called. What's my best play on the turn?

[Scott3705 0]

I like betting 3.5 trying to represent a turned trips. (Bearing in mind tho, I don't play .1/.2 and would imagine u get called down then with the naked k of clubs).

[Garn 0]

yeah i def. lead out on the flop. i bet about 3/4 the pot to see where i'm at

[nomad_monad 0]

anyone like a line of calling the flop bet and then leading out on the turn for about 3/4 the pot?it would be cheaper than check-raising and then committing yourself to a turn lead, and may have just as much folding equity. if you get raised on the turn and it doesn't price you into your outs, you can safely toss your hand away. if the villain decides to call you get to see the river cheaper as well, which is important since you could be slightly ahead on the flop and even if beat have 4 outs to the str8 flush, and by the turn you've picked up an additional 4 outs to a boat. it's also slightly possible that all the flush cards are live outs if the villain has an overpair or set. this seems like a pretty marginal situation to me so it seems better to keep the pot as small as possible. of course, leading out on the flop would do that as well, but doing that seems to have less folding equity. reason being, most people that have flopped a monster on that board would elect to check and trap and even most donks are aware of that. also, although neither of you are committed in this hand, the villain will feel far less committed (assuming he's weak) on the turn if you just call his flop bet.true, if the villain calls your turn bet and the river bricks, you won't have a real good idea of where you're at in the hand. i might lean towards putting a blocking bet out there. but getting this far also gives you a shot to win a showdown and get there cheaply while also having some folding equity, rather than the check-raise line, which is much more reliant on the villain folding. if the river card is another flush card that isn't the 7c, i'd lean towards check-folding, maybe calling a small bet.thoughts?

[BIG_L_RIP 0]

that turn didn't help him. I like the the C/R then turn lead. No reason to let overcards come off free. You may also get a free showdown if you check river, or you may induce a bluff.

[cfinnn 0]

I'd like to preface this by saying, I do not proclaim to be an expert. But my opinion is as follows...I think I'd take the play away from him by betting out on the flop. If I'm called or raised, I'm probably done with the hand - check, fold. There are just too many hands that can beat you. The only exception is if you think you'll get paid off if you make a straight flush, but you'd need some pretty huge implied odds to make that worthwhile.The way you played it, when the Button calls the check raise, I'm done with the hand. What kind of hands might he call a check raise with? I'm guessing: a made flush or straight, ace or king high flush draw (or maybe a straight flush draw), overpair, trips. That's pretty much it, I think. So your best case scenario here is if he's drawing with say AcKd, in which case you'd be a marginal favorite (55%-45%). Anything else and you're already beat.Hands like this put you in the position of either winning a small pot or losing a big one, and that's not a good spot to be in.

[AshleyC 0]

I like betting 3.5 trying to represent a turned trips. (Bearing in mind tho, I don't play .1/.2 and would imagine u get called down then with the naked k of clubs).

I wanted to take advantage of the fact that he nearly always made a continuation bet. I rarely check-raise but from a metagame perspective i thought it advantageous to get one in. When I check to him in future hands I want him to check behind me (to avoid being check raised) rather than bet. I think strategies like this are more prevalent short-handed when you are in pots constantly against the same players than in full-ring when you have far fewer clashes with the same players.

[Scott3705 0]

I'd like to preface this by saying, I do not proclaim to be an expert. But my opinion is as follows...I think I'd take the play away from him by betting out on the flop. If I'm called or raised, I'm probably done with the hand - check, fold. There are just too many hands that can beat you. The only exception is if you think you'll get paid off if you make a straight flush, but you'd need some pretty huge implied odds to make that worthwhile.

For those that were against me advocating reraising this sort of flop/action with AK, this type of weak lead mentality is exactly why. Not the point of this thread tho, so I'll leave it alone.

The way you played it, when the Button calls the check raise, I'm done with the hand. What kind of hands might he call a check raise with? I'm guessing: a made flush or straight, ace or king high flush draw (or maybe a straight flush draw), overpair, trips. That's pretty much it, I think. So your best case scenario here is if he's drawing with say AcKd, in which case you'd be a marginal favorite (55%-45%). Anything else and you're already beat.Hands like this put you in the position of either winning a small pot or losing a big one, and that's not a good spot to be in.

I don't know, the top paired paired in this instance. You are probably right at .1/.2, but my instinct is usually not to let this pot go at this point.

[myenemy 0]

I'd like to preface this by saying, I do not proclaim to be an expert. But my opinion is as follows...I think I'd take the play away from him by betting out on the flop. If I'm called or raised, I'm probably done with the hand - check, fold. There are just too many hands that can beat you. The only exception is if you think you'll get paid off if you make a straight flush, but you'd need some pretty huge implied odds to make that worthwhile.The way you played it, when the Button calls the check raise, I'm done with the hand. What kind of hands might he call a check raise with? I'm guessing: a made flush or straight, ace or king high flush draw (or maybe a straight flush draw), overpair, trips. That's pretty much it, I think. So your best case scenario here is if he's drawing with say AcKd, in which case you'd be a marginal favorite (55%-45%). Anything else and you're already beat.Hands like this put you in the position of either winning a small pot or losing a big one, and that's not a good spot to be in.

Id say you are almost certainly up against a flush draw in which case I'd like to make him pay for it, although if he has a str8 draw to go with it the price would have to be pretty steep and your read pretty solid. I lean towards checking the river and paying off any medium-small bet to a non-flush card.