If You Found A Bug On A Poker Site, Would You Take Advantage Of It?

[Abbaddabba 0]

Depends on the bug and what i have to do to exploit it. Picture an extreme end:Whenever you play at a table, you can click on a player and see his hole cards at any point. You didnt install anything. You just happened to download a client that had a weird bug in it. How many of you resist? Few.Then suppose it requires you to come up with some elaborate scheme by installing a program and sending a trojan to other players to view their moniter from a standby computer at your side.How many people would do that? Probably not many.The same degree of damage is done. But obviously the situations are not identical.

[GoStags92 0]

Do you mean, like the Pokerroom exploit that someone has claimed he has found?I have no idea if there is any validity to this (I sure hope not since that's where my $$ is), but since the thread came up, I thought I'd post the link...http://www.billrini.com/2006/03/21/how-to-...000bb100-hands/

[nutzbuster 7]

NeverYou'd only be cheating yourself!

[srblan 0]

Do you mean, like the Pokerroom exploit that someone has claimed he has found?I have no idea if there is any validity to this (I sure hope not since that's where my $$ is), but since the thread came up, I thought I'd post the link...http://www.billrini.com/2006/03/21/how-to-...000bb100-hands/

Looking at the posting, it looks like there may be some validity to it (the type of bug that they describe is one of the most commonly exploited security holes in existence), but it relies on you clicking on someone's link (like in an e-mail, for instance), and then having that link do some nastiness to you. I would definitely e-mail support and indicate that you are concerned about it and that it definitely affects your trust in the security of the site.To answer OP, I'd probably report any bugs that I found and I wouldn't use it myself. No telling whether someone else already knows about it and I'd definitely prefer that the hole be closed.

[NOFX_PUNK 0]

is catching a bug in software not that same as accidentally seeing the bottom card on the deck or even as simple as catching a tell on someone, it's an advantage gained by having more information, there's cheating (i.e. colluding and multi accounting) and there's cheating (i.e catching a glimpse of one of the Kings you need on the bottom of the deck whilst someone else is dealing, do you tell everyone you have seen this?).I don't cheat, I am merely suggesting that there are different kinds of cheats, some who take an advantage when it falls in their lap and others who make their own advantages, cheaters.

[suicideking 0]

This reminds me of the discussion of blind stealing heads up from someone who was disconnected. Kinda the same...

[NOFX_PUNK 0]

This reminds me of the discussion of blind stealing heads up from someone who was disconnected. Kinda the same...

This is now why most sites have those 'show cards' timers counting down after a muck and then a 'posting blinds.....' followed by a 'dealing cards' followed by a 'dink' noise to you. Surely this is all in the pursuit of making it a slower and less profitable situation for you?I once got left in a SnG heads up with $45 for 1st and $15 for second. The other guy went all in and I called and lost. He left the table but I had him covered by about 65 chips. When he came back to the table 5 minutes later (presumably after realising he had not been credited for a win) I had about 600! I doubled up and managed to barely scrape a win a few hands later. I wrote gg in the window but got no response....

[Hobbes 1]

This was actually in response to the question, "would you use a program that allowed you to see your opponents' cards?" but I think the answer still applies.

Bunch of hoodlums! If an old lady fell on the street and had a million in her purse, would you help her up and then rob her too? Seriously, how do y'all sleep at night? Doing this is flat out theft. Doing this makes you a two-bit criminal.

This thread actually makes me a little sick. If you vote yes, you should go to jail, for a very long time. I love poker and it genuinely saddens me that the newer generation is so comfortable cheating the game, themselves, and flat out robbing other people. Where do you cheaters draw the line exactly? If you could rob one of your friends for money without getting caught would you do that to? Remind me not to invite you guys over to my place... my goodness, you guys need a beat down!

Here's the link: http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...opic=33727&st=0

[playingtowin 0]

Nah. I get rakeback from a few sites and make $$ playing poker. No need to exploit a "bug".I really don't need to cheat to earn money. I'm not that kind of guy. I'll beat you outta your money legit, but I won't cheat you.Going back to school I know I need to work hard in order to succeed. I'm not a cheat. I don't need to cheat. Cheating is a crutch.For some reason I've always respected poker, and it's many players taht make up the game. I think for that sole reason, I've never cheated the game, nor the players. I just don't see how anyone that truly "respects" something, or someone, would ever cheat "it", cause then all you are really cheating is yourself.Meh.- Jordan

Yeah, cheating will not get u to the top...it will eventually come back to bite u. Play fair or don't play.

[fleung22 1]

If I found a bug in life that got rid of FIREonICE I would take advantage of it

[hank213 1,823]

i know most players would vote yes. why wouldn't you take advantage of the site?

What you seem to fail to grasp is that you would not be taking advantage of "the site." The site would get it's cut regardless of whether or not you play the game straight up or not. You would be, through no earned talent or skill, taking advantage of the other players. That would plant you squarely on the same level as any other run of the mill hustler, swindler, charlatan, fraud, mechanic, and scuuuuumbaaaaag cheat.

[allinbluff35 0]

if I knew of a way to cheat that wouldn't get me caught, i would, and it's not close.

[Abbaddabba 0]

The getting caught part is important, but so is the whole 'not wanting to be a douchebag' part.If it just was served to me on a silver platter in a situation like i mentioned, where everyone's hole cards just pop up for reasons you have nothing to do with - i would for sure take advantage of it.

[mrdannyg 274]

if I knew of a way to cheat that wouldn't get me caught, i would, and it's not close.

i would add "and it was easy" to conform with Abba's post.I think the most important aspect would be if I was stealing from players or the site. If its the site, I would have no problem with it. It's dog-eat-dog, and if they want to base their site in Gibraltar, they'll have to do with a few million less ivory backscratchers.If it was other people, I would really question it. I would probably go to significant efforts to only steal very small amounts from any one player and things like that, but I could not try to argue that it is not wrong.It is in large part a question of respect. For instance, I used to work at a Second Cup. Over a couple months, I stole a few thousand dollars from them. Only stealing from the store of course (never individuals), but still theft. The place was a shithole, I hated the management, and they treated us like crap. It's still theft and wrong, but I didn't feel too bad.I also worked at a small grocery store, where I had a safe key, and total access to safe monies, and other stuff. I never stole from there, even though it would've been extremely easy. They were good management, treated people like they should be, etc.Frankly, I've never felt bad about stealing from Second Cup, though I am aware that it is a "wrong" action. For many people, that might not be possible, but for whatever reason that's how I feel.

[GoStags92 0]

I really have a big problem with cheating as a whole. If I found a bug in a site, I would report it. Getting caught has nothing to do with whether or not it would be easy for me to do, I just have a problem with it. When I play online, I like to think that I can trust the site that I am not being cheated. Being cheated makes you feel pretty violated, I don't think I would like to do that to someone else. Hey, that's just the way I was raised... Everyone seemed to be pretty outspoken when ZeeJustin announced the fact that he had been cheating the system in tournamentsI voted "no."

[FIREonICE 0]

all I have to say is this:yes [ 44 ] [61.97%] no [ 27 ] [38.03%]

[dscoot 0]

hey op, let me fyp. u basically asked are u a bad person yes/noim shocked more than 10% of people are saying yes. not sure if its age related or not, but not a forum im proud right now to say i read

[PoppinFresh 0]

hey op, let me fyp. u basically asked are u a bad person yes/noim shocked more than 10% of people are saying yes. not sure if its age related or not, but not a forum im proud right now to say i read

Myself as well, I'm not sure if it's a reality of the poker world or if it's just this board, either way it kind of sucks

[dscoot 0]

This reminds me of the discussion of blind stealing heads up from someone who was disconnected. Kinda the same...

ive thought about this situation for years now, and believe i have a firm idea hereive been playing online since it was a baby in like '02. in the first few years while i was on dial up i was on the wrong side of the situation many timess, since "04-'05 ive had high speed and my opponents have many times been the victim of this situation. but in reality , time is money. many times while im playing online poker, i am needing to fix a meal, needing to do some other email or computer work, i may be heading to my real job in 20 minutes, i may be needing to get to bed in 20 minutes. i just cant sit there and wait for the person to come back, if they ever do. if i knew the person i'd definitely wait or call them, but 99% of the time u dont even know the persons first name. i often say gl to people at the start of heads up and they never respond back. in a brick and morter casino, u cant even play heads up , let alone get up and get a bite to eat and coffee and expect your oppenent to wait for you. people who have dial up have to accept the consequences too. i dont think disconnects in heads up is even in 1/10th the league of cheating by a bug in the site

[allinbluff35 0]

Myself as well, I'm not sure if it's a reality of the poker world or if it's just this board, either way it kind of sucks

it's the reality of the world in general.

[FIREonICE 0]

hey op, let me fyp. u basically asked are u a bad person yes/noim shocked more than 10% of people are saying yes. not sure if its age related or not, but not a forum im proud right now to say i read

why are you shocked? this is a bug that will GIVE PEOPLE FREE MONEY!. this world, this life is all about money. I'm more shocked that the race is so close. I would've expected yes(90%) no(10%). this is online, and I highly doubt many people wont cheat if they have opportunity right in front of their screen. post it in many other forums and you will get more YES votes than NO votes.

[dscoot 0]

why are you shocked? this is a bug that will GIVE PEOPLE FREE MONEY!. this world, this life is all about money. I'm more shocked that the race is so close. I would've expected yes(90%) no(10%). this is online, and I highly doubt many people wont cheat if they have opportunity right in front of their screen. post it in many other forums and you will get more YES votes than NO votes.

so, are prisons, courts, laws, god/kharma/being a good person not ideas that occur in your brain?last time i heard at least 90% of the human race is religious in some sort of way

[21gambit 0]

I think alot of this has to do with the fact that at least 75% of players are losing players, losing players are more likely to cheat out of desperation due to the fact that they cant hack it, combined with the idea that 50% of people are probably dishonest, at least they will be when it comes to money. And poker doesnt draw the most reputable characters(see the idea of money for nothing), so 75% of poker players are probably dishonest, and probably 90% of losing players are: viola, this is why the number of people who would cheat is so big.No I wouldnt cheat, I would report the bug so that someone couldnt cheat me and may just find a different site if someone allows a hole like this.I think FIREonICE's mentality is ZeeJustins wrapped up in a nutshell, and his apologies(spellign) are just him saying, hey, I want money, but I still want to be idolized. Im sorry, please love me again.

[mrdannyg 274]

one of the earlier posters brings up what you consider cheating.the other day on pokerstars, a hand occured where one guy was drawing to a flush, and the other player was betting his hand hard on the flop. on the turn, the board paired.so the drawing player, obviously wanting to draw cheaply, but now afraid of a full house, purposely timed out and was considered "all-in."this is pretty common practice, but do people consider it cheating? In a live game you can't do it, so I guess it could be considered cheating, but in my mind it is more unethical than it is cheating.I guess the argument depends on what exactly constitutes cheating for some of us. Because I for instance would never purposely time out like this guy did, but I would not be opposed to "stealing" in some other ways, depending on how it was done, and who i was taking it from.

[dscoot 0]

one of the earlier posters brings up what you consider cheating.the other day on pokerstars, a hand occured where one guy was drawing to a flush, and the other player was betting his hand hard on the flop. on the turn, the board paired.so the drawing player, obviously wanting to draw cheaply, but now afraid of a full house, purposely timed out and was considered "all-in."this is pretty common practice, but do people consider it cheating? In a live game you can't do it, so I guess it could be considered cheating, but in my mind it is more unethical than it is cheating.I guess the argument depends on what exactly constitutes cheating for some of us. Because I for instance would never purposely time out like this guy did, but I would not be opposed to "stealing" in some other ways, depending on how it was done, and who i was taking it from.

keep in mind that while it looks obvious that the guy timed out purpose, are u 100% sure? sometimes internet goes out at inopportune times. the internet needs to inlcude the allin protect and timers at least once or so to help those honestly momentarily disconnect but then come back.