Need Advice On Building A Bankroll

[bobbywithani 0]

Do not listen to Turd Ferguson. Turning $50 into $1000 is not that difficult by multi-tabling Micros. I did it, anyone can do it. At first it is very time consuming but essentially by starting out at .05-.10 you only have to move up three levels to begin playing .50-1.0. Do you think it is impossible to move up three levels in a matter of months Turd? I mean you must have no concept of bankroll management at all. You give no realastic reason as to why it would take two years to build up from $50. I mean I'll try to find the link from 2 + 2 where they talk about how to do this, but everyone on there has done it.Here is the link http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat...&an=&page=&vc=1

[turd ferguson 1]

Do not listen to Turd Ferguson. Turning $50 into $1000 is not that difficult by multi-tabling Micros. I did it, anyone can do it. At first it is very time consuming but essentially by starting out at .05-.10 you only have to move up three levels to begin playing .50-1.0. Do you think it is impossible to move up three levels in a matter of months Turd? I mean you must have no concept of bankroll management at all. You give no realastic reason as to why it would take two years to build up from $50. I mean I'll try to find the link from 2 + 2 where they talk about how to do this, but everyone on there has done it.Here is the link http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat...&an=&page=&vc=1

How long did it take you to get to $1,000 playing with the 500bb rule?

[Randy Reed 0]

I think OP should grind it out for a whole lot of reasons:- Learning and abiding by proper bankroll management principles now will enforce good habits that may save your *** later on.- Finding out that you suck at poker takes a lot of hands. If you do suck at poker, you can find that out for 50 bucks playing micro, or hundreds of bucks taking shots at bigger games. Which sounds better for a broke college kid?- With a decent stable win-rate, moving up a level should only take somewhere around 10k hands.- Working through the levels prepares you for the next one. There are differences at every level up. - Money is all relative. If it doesn't seem worth your time to play the micros now, what's to say you wont feel the same way about .5/1 after a couple thousand hands? If you cant play within your BR now, you may never be able to.

Skinny, this is the best advice if you don't want to be broke in a few days....read alot, and don't try to get to $1000 in a few days, won't happen. Pay your dues if your serious

[bobbywithani 0]

How long did it take you to get to $1,000 playing with the 500bb rule?

I used 400BB and I havent made $1000 yet because I've had to cash out a few times, but if you read my earlier post I started with a BR of $50 about four months ago and now have $600.

[turd ferguson 1]

I used 400BB and I havent made $1000 yet because I've had to cash out a few times, but if you read my earlier post I started with a BR of $50 about four months ago and now have $600.

You could make about five times that working 25 hours a week at Taco Bell. Zero risk.

[bobbywithani 0]

You could make about five times that working 25 hours a week at Taco Bell. Zero risk.

Of course, but how will that teach you how to play poker?

[CobaltBlue 662]

Why work at a fast food restaurant when you can sit at home and make money playing a game in your spare time? I don't care if you're making $1/hr...that's more than you make gambling with play money.Seriously...just grind it out. You'll learn a lot, practice BR management, and it doesn't take that long. I started with $25 playing micro-limits a year and a half ago. Today, I'm playing 3/6 NLHE and 20/40 LHE without ever having to re-deposit.

[Butcho22 0]

He could be a hell of a lot more profitable getting a job at McDonalds and taking $50 out of his paycheck every couple of weeks if he goes broke. He could build a roll a lot more quickly that way than he ever could playing micro limits.

I don't think you're looking at this the right way. Sure, to you, it seems easy to replace $50. But if he is truly broke and in school, it's not. Trust me, i was once there. Of course he could take that $50 and put it on red at the casino. By your logic, this would be the play. Instant double up, and of course he can just reload if it lands on black right?

[turd ferguson 1]

Of course, but how will that teach you how to play poker?

My point is that you're all about bankroll management to minimize risk. You can learn to play using fake money. You can make a lot more money with a regular fast food job. Why not do that, make more money, and take no risks?

[bobbywithani 0]

My point is that you're all about bankroll management to minimize risk. You can learn to play using fake money. You can make a lot more money with a regular fast food job. Why not do that, make more money, and take no risks?

Because he seems to want to learn to play poker thats why. Saying working in a fast food place instead makes absolutely no sense, and you are giving him bad advise. He asked how he should play with only $50, and you told him to pretty much go all or nothing, which is stupid. He is in college, it is a perfect time for him to get in a few hands a week, make a small amount of money and learn to play. There is absolutely no reason for him to play above his BR unless he is looking for a quick big score, and people who look for quick big scores are generally poor players.

[Dratj 0]

Low-limit grinding builds character.Seriously, I started with $25. I played over my bankroll at .05/.10 NLHE, but after a few weeks, I'd already made $300 at that level.

five and ten cent no limit is much bigger than playing five and ten cent limit. The buy in for that game is 10 bucks and with only 50 bucks, that's only five buy ins. He can go broke easily.

[turd ferguson 1]

Because he seems to want to learn to play poker thats why. Saying working in a fast food place instead makes absolutely no sense, and you are giving him bad advise. He asked how he should play with only $50, and you told him to pretty much go all or nothing, which is stupid. He is in college, it is a perfect time for him to get in a few hands a week, make a small amount of money and learn to play. There is absolutely no reason for him to play above his BR unless he is looking for a quick big score, and people who look for quick big scores are generally poor players.

Ok. It may work for some of you, but I could just never play seriously at any limits that wouldn't hurt me a little if I lost. Now I exercise proper bankroll management, but when I was just starting out and only able to risk maybe $50 at a time for online play it just wasn't worth it to me to nickle and dime my way up. You might as well be playing for play money. I say take a shot, and try to make a decent score so you can get to a point where the money matters to you and will make a difference. If you swing and miss, wait a little bit and try again. Ask any pro nowdays if they used the 300bb rule when they first started playing.

[bobbywithani 0]

Ok. It may work for some of you, but I could just never play seriously at any limits that wouldn't hurt me a little if I lost. Now I exercise proper bankroll management, but when I was just starting out and only able to risk maybe $50 at a time for online play it just wasn't worth it to me to nickle and dime my way up. You might as well be playing for play money. I say take a shot, and try to make a decent score so you can get to a point where the money matters to you and will make a difference. If you swing and miss, wait a little bit and try again. Ask any pro nowdays if they used the 300bb rule when they first started playing.

I agree with you to an extent, but I would say yes perhaps you can work at a fast food place and get some money together for a decent bankroll. I think it would be better to work a job and get together say $600 and start playing .50-1.0 than to take a big shot with $50.

[turd ferguson 1]

I agree with you to an extent, but I would say yes perhaps you can work at a fast food place and get some money together for a decent bankroll. I think it would be better to work a job and get together say $600 and start playing .50-1.0 than to take a big shot with $50.

I don't know about that. I'm pretty sure that I could gamble and put together a $600 roll out of $50 in less than 12 tries. Do you disagree there? I would probably start out playing the $25 no limit game and move up every time I had five buy ins or so. Not so long ago I was in a similar position, and that's how I built my roll. Start with something small that isn't a huge risk for you, and gamble intelligently to try and run it into a decent stake at which time you would exercise proper bankroll management. P.S. $0.50/$1.00 with $600? Jesus Christ man. Are you terrified of going broke? You have to have some gamble in you to be good at this game.

[Hobbes 1]

I agree with you to an extent, but I would say yes perhaps you can work at a fast food place and get some money together for a decent bankroll. I think it would be better to work a job and get together say $600 and start playing .50-1.0 than to take a big shot with $50.

Which is to say that $50 isn't really a starting bankroll, it's just some poker money.

[bobbywithani 0]

Which is to say that $50 isn't really a starting bankroll, it's just some poker money.

It is a starting bankroll that you can build on, just not one that you can have a good hourly rate with. Using a roll like that you can build up to one where you can play limits that you can make a decent hourly rate and you can learn the basics of play too.

P.S. $0.50/$1.00 with $600? Jesus Christ man. Are you terrified of going broke? You have to have some gamble in you to be good at this game.

Of course I don't need that high of a roll to play PS .50-1.0, but that's because I learned how to play at the micros, I would suggest a deposit of this much for anyone that has never played on-line before and is serious about playing.

[turd ferguson 1]

It is a starting bankroll that you can build on, just not one that you can have a good hourly rate with. Using a roll like that you can build up to one where you can play limits that you can make a decent hourly rate and you can learn the basics of play too.Of course I don't need that high of a roll to play PS .50-1.0, but that's because I learned how to play at the micros, I would suggest a deposit of this much for anyone that has never played on-line before and is serious about playing.

I don't know. Maybe I just don't have the patience for something like that, but if I'm playing for stakes that don't matter to me I can guarantee you I'm not learning anything. Give me one pro that has worked through the limits like that, and I'll give you twenty that used a method much more similar to the one I'm advocating.

[Butcho22 0]

I don't know. Maybe I just don't have the patience for something like that, but if I'm playing for stakes that don't matter to me I can guarantee you I'm not learning anything. Give me one pro that has worked through the limits like that, and I'll give you twenty that used a method much more similar to the one I'm advocating.

This post isn't about you. Maybe $50 doesn't matter to you, BUT IT DOES TO THE OP. Start your own thread about how you are so rich that you could piss on a $50 and laugh all day...till then, STFU

[turd ferguson 1]

This post isn't about you. Maybe $50 doesn't matter to you, BUT IT DOES TO THE OP. Start your own thread about how you are so rich that you could piss on a $50 and laugh all day...till then, STFU

Four years ago when I first started playing I worked fast food, and this is how I built my bankroll. You don't contribute anything useful to this forum, and you spend your time here flaming evrerybody. Why don't you just go away already?

[bobbywithani 0]

Four years ago when I first started playing I worked fast food, and this is how I built my bankroll. You don't contribute anything useful to this forum, and you spend your time here flaming evrerybody. Why don't you just go away already?

Yeah don't listen to him, he's just being a jerk. You're right, a lot of pros did do this, but they also went broke, I mean Ledder was homeless and sleeping on park benches in NY because he didn't have proper BR management.

[Butcho22 0]

Four years ago when I first started playing I worked fast food, and this is how I built my bankroll. I am now area manager. Cool huh?

And your advice is HORRIBLE.

[turd ferguson 1]

Yeah don't listen to him, he's just being a jerk. You're right, a lot of pros did do this, but they also went broke, I mean Ledder was homeless and sleeping on park benches in NY because he didn't have proper BR management.

That's true too, which is why it's always good to have a job so that poker is just a supplement to your income. This way it really is impossible to go broke. My real problem with griding it out is that it just isn't realistic for most people. Personally, I just can't pay attention and play my best at those kind of stakes. Some people can, and more power to them, but the majority just doesn't have that kind of patience. They got into playing this game because they like to gamble, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's learning to control those urges that is what makes the top pros so good. They don't always play within their bankroll. They take calculated risks when they need to. You can't come up with a perfect system for playing or building your bankroll. That's what bothers me so much about the strat forum. They see everything as an ABC process. Very rarely does anybody think outside the box lest they be classified as a donkey for not making the "proper" play. Sorry to rant.

[aadams_22 3]

He could be a hell of a lot more profitable getting a job at McDonalds and taking $50 out of his paycheck every couple of weeks if he goes broke. He could build a roll a lot more quickly that way than he ever could playing micro limits.

When I was in college, I was lucky to have $50 and I'm sure he's in the same boat. Having been in that same boat I can attest that college students just don't have $50 laying around somewhere unless they're trust fund babies at an Ivy League school. After tuition, fees, books, rent, utilities, food, etc. you just don't have money lying around anywhere. Hell $50 was my grocery fund for about 3-4 weeks, and that was after budgeting.

[Actuary 3]

I make good money.I started with $250 at .5/1, once I began playing Limit.$250 is way less to me than $50 is to the OP, I'd guessIt meant something to me.So Turd, you have to consider the individual.

[monoatomic 0]

The OP never said $50 was going to break him. He decided he was getting good at play money and he thought he would deposit some real money to see if he could make a few bucks a week instead of just playing for fake chips. That's it case closed...you guys go way to overboard with all your 300bb debating crap.Personally, I would wait until you have atleast $300 to play with. Playing micro limits is going to take a very long time to build up to any reasonable amount where it would make sense to be able to take money off the site to spend on whatever.If you are looking for some extra beer money or spending cash every week, I'd say save up atleast another $100 and then play .5/1 on party. The games are soft enough where having a 150bb bankroll should be decent enough to grind it up to $300 where you will then be able to take out maybe $30-50 a week if you play enough hands. Making an average of 2.5bb/100 if you play 3000 hands a week, you will have roughly $75 bucks a week. Take out half of it and leave the other half in to build with. $40 bucks a week should be enough for a few rounds for some slutty college girls.