BrantC 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Playing @ Lucky Lady in El Cajon,CA. It's an action table, alot of calling of pre-flop raises and such. This is a 1-3NL game and I am sitting in front of 750ish and the other gentleman who from here on will be known as "Hollywood" has about 500. In the cutoff position I get dealt KhKc and raise to 15, action folded to Hollywood and he re-raises me to 45 total. All the limpers before me get out and I think this is the first critical mistake I made, I decided to smooth call. My thought process was that Hollywood was an action player, very loose calls and I figured I could get some money out of him. Flop comes 10-9-5 rainbow and Hollywood checks to me. I bet 3/4 of the pot(70 or so) and hollywood check-raises me to 250. Now, I had a pretty good read on him and I had noticed that when he had something that he was proud of... he would smile, and boy did he have a grin on him like "I'm gonna break you kid." It just felt like Aces to me, it looked like aces to me, it even smelled like Aces!!! I thought for a good while and decided to lay it down and showed him my two Kings. He of course turned up pocket queens but it really didn't bother me all that much. I went with my read, I was 100% commited to it and it just happened to be wrong. So here is my question(s):1) Is the smooth call a horrible play against a loose agressive player in position? Should I have re-raised it to say 150 or so?2) Do you feel that going with my read was the correct thing to do here or should I have re-raised Hollywood after his check-raise?3) What would you have done different?All opinions are definitely appreciated... flaming as always, is expected :-)GOOD LUCK ON THE FELT!! Link to post Share on other sites
zacmoose 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 1. I personally would have reraised him here. He might just be raising you thinking you are weak, or that a raise that big will get you out of the pot.2. I think going with your read is very important, if you trust your read then its better to go with it and be wrong than not go with it and be right imo. I dont think I could have folded in that spot, I am not that good of a player.I would make a mental note that he thinks an overpair is awesome, then wait and bust him with top set or something Link to post Share on other sites
anyone1 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 I'd be real afraid if a lag re-raised pre-flop and then checked the flop. I probably wouldn't have bet at the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
wsox8 10 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 I would have reraised and because I suck if he raised back I would hav eprobably gone all in.. On the flop I would have reraised or maybe gone all in.. but that's me Link to post Share on other sites
Jordan 1 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 no..oh..no...dont include results...butif you have a lag who is willing to get in a raising war with you preflop and you hold KK, uhm, just get your money in then, cause he most likely isn't going anywhere.everytime.- Jordan Link to post Share on other sites
KowboyKoop 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 I think the biggest problem (besides the smooth call preflop) was you noticing that "grin" on his face and automatically thinking that because he thinks he is strong...that he must automatically have a hand better than your Kings. You read him as strong..which was a good read...but you have to take into consideration that he could think any overpair is "strong" and maybe even TPTK...so that gives him credit for AT, JJ, QQ, or AA...and you beat three out of those four. Also, of course..if you think he is the type of player to reraise with TT or 99...then you can add in those (I'll just assume he doesn't have 55.) Not that this line of thinking makes this an automatic call...you still need to cultivate your reads and use them if you think they are pretty solid...but it seems to me that you automatically equated "my opponent seems strong" with "my opponent has me beat," and that isn't the case often times. Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 The reason he thinks his QQ is good is because he gave you the benefit of the doubt in assuming you would reraise KK or AA. He obviously gave you too much credit.Raise to 140 roughly. If he's a lag and will call you with much less than KK, why would you not put more money in as a significant favorite? It's just terrible.He played it like a complete tool too. I cant imagine a hand worse than QQ calling that raise save for JJ, and he potentially gave a free card to a lot of worse hands that are drawing live. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 I think the biggest problem (besides the smooth call preflop) was you noticing that "grin" on his face and automatically thinking that because he thinks he is strong...that he must automatically have a hand better than your Kings. You read him as strong..which was a good read...but you have to take into consideration that he could think any overpair is "strong" and maybe even TPTK...so that gives him credit for AT, JJ, QQ, or AA...and you beat three out of those four. Also, of course..if you think he is the type of player to reraise with TT or 99...then you can add in those (I'll just assume he doesn't have 55.) Not that this line of thinking makes this an automatic call...you still need to cultivate your reads and use them if you think they are pretty solid...but it seems to me that you automatically equated "my opponent seems strong" with "my opponent has me beat," and that isn't the case often times.The other thing I don't understand is how you got this smell AFTER the flop but not BEFORE. If you're going to slow-roll it with KK (which is not always a terrible play, but is ALWAYS poor against a LAG) then you need to be fine with calling bets/raises on a flop w/o an A. Link to post Share on other sites
NocturnalRob 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 After check-raise, take both thumbs, place at bottom of chip stack, push aggressively towards the center of the table, and then stare directly at him without blinking. crossing your arms might help too. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Sweet, diet coke. Link to post Share on other sites
Peak01 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 I would be making a statement to "Hollywood" preflop and reraise. He is out of position and needs to realize that and what better way to wake him up than come over the top. That will probably result in you both getting it all-in before the flop and then there are no more tough decisions.When your Kings hold up he will think twice again before reraising you out of position and you might get respect for your raises in the future even though they don't seem to respect any at the moment. After the flop you went with your gut and that is all that is important. The biggest mistake you can do is not listen to your gut. Just make new mental notes and wait for another opportunity. Link to post Share on other sites
srblan 0 Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 The thing that I least liked about your play was folding face-up. Also, against a LAG, I'm reraising every time preflop, he may decide to reraise you all in, which is perfect. If he could have anything, you don't want to put yourself in a tough spot (like you did here). Link to post Share on other sites
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