Pancake407 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Pancake is MP2 with [5s], [As]. UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, Pancake calls, 3 folds, SB completes, BB checks.Flop: (6 SB) [Qs], [Ac], [4c] (6 players)SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, Pancake raises, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.Turn: (6 BB) [2s] (3 players)UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Pancake bets, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls.River: (8 BB) [9d] (2 players)MP1 checks, Pancake checks.Final Pot: 8 BBThoughts on all streets appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites
RISEorFall 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 NH, only question I have is on river. I probably bet/fold without a read, but i think im too aggro sometimes Link to post Share on other sites
Pancake407 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Author Share Posted March 22, 2006 do you think he has Qx enough here to value bet? Link to post Share on other sites
doubleatrain 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 do you think he has Qx enough here to value bet?I'm torn on this one...I think sometimes he has a Qx, but the things I see most often are a busted draw which you won't get called by, or a marginally better ace which got scared but couldn't fold. Something like A7, for example. So this is one spot where I'm just happy to get to showdown my pair of aces. Though river value betting is something I want to work on, so.......cue Actuary.Just so my commentary is more complete, I like everything else. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 I'm torn on this one...I think sometimes he has a Qx, but the things I see most often are a busted draw which you won't get called by, or a marginally better ace which got scared but couldn't fold. Something like A7, for example. So this is one spot where I'm just happy to get to showdown my pair of aces. Just so my commentary is more complete, I like everything else. i'm lazy. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerplayer24 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 I bet it. MP1 is probly just as likely to have Ax as Qx but at the same time we will get called down by enough weird hands (K high, mid pp, pair of 4s) to make a bet somewhat +ev. Link to post Share on other sites
Pancake407 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Author Share Posted March 22, 2006 I think Doubletrain hit this one on the head. I think we are either getting called by a slightly better A, or they will fold. It's possible for QX to call, but I think we are better off checking, as I think we are usually behind. I rarely miss value bets, and I think this is an easy check behind, lol. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 also there's an outside chance you get check raised.outside. Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 This is almost straight out of SSHE.I think they mention something about how, if you dont have a BDF draw to go with it, it might be better to just fold the flop.And they also recommend checking behind on the river.I think there're some opponents that you can bet the river against. Link to post Share on other sites
Pancake407 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Author Share Posted March 22, 2006 This is almost straight out of SSHE.I think they mention something about how, if you dont have a BDF draw to go with it, it might be better to just fold the flop.And they also recommend checking behind on the river.I think there're some opponents that you can bet the river against.You think im better off folding on the flop Abba?I had a BDFD, so does that swing this from a fold to a raise? Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 You think im better off folding on the flop Abba?I had a BDFD, so does that swing this from a fold to a raise?BDFD helps keep it a call instead of fold (not sure its a fold w/o bdfd at .5/1, it is against good players)Pot Size comes in and sways it from a Call to a Raise Link to post Share on other sites
Pancake407 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Author Share Posted March 22, 2006 Why would you ever call in this spot? We are very vulnerable, why not protect with a raise? Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 Why would you ever call in this spot? We are very vulnerable, why not protect with a raise?when we are behind in a small pot with outs.In a small pot, there won't be 4 left to act, so its entirely differentI would not raise with As 5s in a 3 SB pot on a Ah Qs 3s board.I'd peel and re-evaluate******bad exmaple...I meant with a BDFD, I just call..I made it a FD... ISAPosting. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 when we are behind in a small pot with outs.In a small pot, there won't be 4 left to act, so its entirely differentI would not raise with As 5s in a 3 SB pot on a Ah Qs 3s board.I'd peel and re-evaluateI'm raising that board. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted March 22, 2006 Share Posted March 22, 2006 me too.SorryI meant if we had a BDFD, not a FD. Link to post Share on other sites
RISEorFall 0 Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 flop's an easy raise IMO Link to post Share on other sites
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