2/4 - Queens In Mp3

[thecamelot 0]

Any problems? Wasn't sure about the river...CO is new at the table... (stats removed)Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is MP3 with Q:heart:, Q:diamond:. 4 folds, Hero raises, CO calls, 3 folds.Flop: (5.50 SB) 4:heart:, 2:club:, 4:spade: (2 players)Hero bets, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, CO calls.Turn: (5.75 BB) K:spade: (2 players)Hero bets, CO calls.River: (7.75 BB) T:club: (2 players)Hero bets, CO calls.Final Pot: 9.75 BB

[Rasty 0]

Looks golden to me.There's a pretty good case to be made for checking the river, but it's close.

[Zach6668 513]

With a stonger read that he was aggressive, I'd check/call the river, but I don't want it checked through.

[Pancake407 0]

I play it the same. We've only got 5 hands on him, but his vpip is at 40, hes obviously very loose. I think the river is an easy value bet.

[Zach6668 513]

I play it the same. We've only got 5 hands on him, but his vpip is at 40, hes obviously very loose. I think the river is an easy value bet.

Uh.... so he played 2 out of 5 hands. His stats shouldn't have even been posted.I agree with the bet though.

[Pancake407 0]

Uh.... so he played 2 out of 5 hands.

This is getting ridiculous, I need to take a math class, seriously.

[thecamelot 0]

Yea, the stats were irrelevant so I removed them.I realllly wanted to check the river but betting has to be right here. What if the river gets raised?

[Pancake407 0]

What if the river gets raised?

I think we can safely fold to a raise here.

[Actuary 3]

I think we can safely fold to a raise here.

me too.But I don't

[Pancake407 0]

But I don't

lol, i know, me neither.

[Rasty 0]

I wouldn't fold that to a river raise if it meant nine orphans could go to camp for the summer.10:1 and we're going to fold because he has . . . a hand with a 4 that he didn't raise on the turn?K 10 that he didn't raise on the turn?10 10 that he didn't raise on the flop or pre-flop?4 4 and he was waiting extra long for you to catch up?K K and he's freebasing crack?Something like A 10 of spades is a hand that could look like this - and folding to that would be gross.I call a river raise all day long.

[Actuary 3]

Rasty,spend more time here.You have a lot to teach and we are void of experinced players who post much.Yeah, calling a raise doesn't sound so dirty anymore.The tendency is to assume villans are passive, will call preflop with anything, will misplay every street, and slow play. This is re-inforced when in fact 74 turns over on the river. Unfortunealtely, it leads to way too many check calls on the river. It's like getting burned for that extra bet on the river by a donkey stifles us disproportionally compared to all the times he calls with worse but checks behind otherwise.I"m convincing myself here!Rasty... post more!

[thecamelot 0]

He did raise the flop, although it really didn't reveal much about his hand, especially since he slowed down afterwards.Getting burned by betting on the river with hands like this makes me more passive when it shouldn't. The losses always stick out way more than the wins and I'd like to find a way to get around that and realize it's still the correct play.And yeah, good advice Rasty.

[Fat Tye 0]

I'm confused with the people wanting to check the river, why? If we lead into a 2 spade board with a pair & an overcard K, why would we not bet when the river brings what should be a brick to our opponent unless he has 1010? I can see more reasons for checking the turn than the river. Am I missing something?I bet this river for value all day long. If I get raised I call 100% of the time. The pot odds on the call are too great, we will be good here much of the time, and if nothing else, I want to know how this guy played the hand for info. Did he have the 4, did he hit his K, was he playing 1010? Well worth 1 BB.

[Zach6668 513]

I'm confused with the people wanting to check the river, why? If we lead into a 2 spade board with a pair & an overcard K, why would we not bet when the river brings what should be a brick to our opponent unless he has 1010? I can see more reasons for checking the turn than the river. Am I missing something?I bet this river for value all day long. If I get raised I call 100% of the time. The pot odds on the call are too great, we will be good here much of the time, and if nothing else, I want to know how this guy played the hand for info. Did he have the 4, did he hit his K, was he playing 1010? Well worth 1 BB.

The reason we sometimes c/c instead of b/f, is that he will often bet with more hands that we beat than he will call with. I'm not sure that this is the right situation, but that's the principal.- Zach

[princeof56k 0]

If we are going to go fold to a raise on the river, I think we should go with check/call.

[Pancake407 0]

I dont want this checking through. I'd rather Bet/Call then Check/call. IMO.

[Fat Tye 0]

"The reason we sometimes c/c instead of b/f, is that he will often bet with more hands that we beat than he will call with. I'm not sure that this is the right situation, but that's the principal."I understand that concept, IMO this is not the right situation. I do that when I have led whole time, but have TP/WK or something like that. "I dont want this checking through. I'd rather Bet/Call then Check/call. IMO."That's what I'm thinking, expecially after the way the turn played out. I think if someone has the 4 or hit a K you may be raised right there. I think there is value here on the river so we need to bet.

[Pancake407 0]

I dont see why he would raise this flop with a K. My guess is he has a PP, like 99 or 88.

[Actuary 3]

river is clear bet if that's not established yet.

[thecamelot 0]

I dont see why he would raise this flop with a K. My guess is he has a PP, like 99 or 88.

You'd be wrong ... It was AKs.But yes, river is a clear bet.