I Know I Got Lucky But...

[Fanatikk 0]

They're making almost as much of a mistake by calling the first 2, if they're going to dump the next 2 on any ragged flop thinking that their cards are live.I'd just push. But i dont think it makes a big difference.Calling with 3/5off is a bigger mistake than him minraising in the first place.

Yeah but these kind of calls are made all the time(people love protecting their big blinds). On the other hand the same guy folds if the button goes all in, in this situation. In which yes the button picks up the blinds. At this point of the tourney though the guy is all in or fold..even if he picks up the blinds on this hand, he's all in or fold. When I'm shortstacked, yeah, I just want to pick up blinds/limps with hands like weak Aces, two face cards or little pairs, but a strong hand(the strongest) I want to induce action by 1 or 2 players. I guess that's not as +ev as stealing the blinds...but oh well I'm learning.

[srblan 0]

The strength of your hand really doesn't matter at this point. You're risking about 5% of your chips to win a $3000 pot. I'd say that the implied odds actually are there. You're getting (potentially) 10-1 on a call and 3-1 in actual odds. I'd be very suspicious of a minraising short stack (usually screams aces to me), but even if he flipped over his hand and said that he'd put in the rest of his chips regardless of the flop, you're only about an 84-16 dog which means that 10-1 implied is more than enough (feel free to correct me if I'm using the odds improperly).Given that he didn't have to have aces, if you had two live cards instead of being up against a pair, you'd only be a 65-35 dog, which means that you're getting the right price with just the current pot.In a live tourney, you could probably call a minraise like that without looking at your hand...

[Actuary 3]

we're getting 6.2 : 1 implied at the time we call3.5 : 1 immdiate.to cash in on the 6.2 : 1 we have to risk 800 more, essentially puting 1100 of our 5400 more in than folding preflop.We aren't going to hit the flop hard enough often enough to be able to make that play correctly. We will call his push for "pot odds" but it will only be compounding our mistake. This is a Tourney, be careful with the chips.

You're getting (potentially) 10-1 on a call

You don't count your own money in that..except the 300 initial BB.

[srblan 0]

we're getting 6.2 : 1 implied at the time we call3.5 : 1 immdiate.to cash in on the 6.2 : 1 we have to risk 800 more, essentially puting 1100 of our 5400 more in than folding preflop.We aren't going to hit the flop hard enough often enough to be able to make that play correctly. We will call his push for "pot odds" but it will only be compounding our mistake. This is a Tourney, be careful with the chips.You don't count your own money in that..except the 300 initial BB.

Thanks for correcting me, I thought about the fact that his chips were in there too, and figured they wouldn't count. I just don't see a problem with taking a flop and folding if I don't hit it, knowing that you probably have a read on your opponents hand.

[RazorStrap 0]

In tournament play, you really have to take advantage of these situations, and look at them as a potential opportunity to swallow up a smaller stack. At some point you have to aquire chips, and this is a situation that lets you take a shot at building your stack against an opponent who can't put you all-in.Yeah, you'd prefer a better hand, but if your opponent doesn't have a pair, you're not in that bad of shape considering the pot odds, plus this is a VERY easy hand to get away from if you miss the flop completely.

[Incubus77546 0]

In tournament play, you really have to take advantage of these situations, and look at them as a potential opportunity to swallow up a smaller stack. At some point you have to aquire chips, and this is a situation that lets you take a shot at building your stack against an opponent who can't put you all-in.Yeah, you'd prefer a better hand, but if your opponent doesn't have a pair, you're not in that bad of shape considering the pot odds, plus this is a VERY easy hand to get away from if you miss the flop completely.

My thoughts exactly when I played the hand

[Sluggo 0]

Fanatikk,I'm not much of a NL guy or Tourney for that matter.But, I'd say you have to push here with AA.Stealing Blinds is huge +EV especialy given the stack to blind ratio.no reason to let others in cheap.***********Hootch,op's hand "works together", but villan has no chips left to win.I still say op's call was not good.

If we have an edge so big that the big blind should fold, don't we want callers?

[Actuary 3]

If we have an edge so big that the big blind should fold, don't we want callers?

I don't think so. If we push we may get called, and if so, the call will on ave be from a hand more behind than one that calls after the flop for our remaining chips. The blinds are huge relative to Raisers stack and he should give himself the best chance to win them.But that's all I'll say because I'm not a Tourney guy and I'm sure prize equity comes into play here.Call Copernicus.