I Play Weird

[screech 0]

Villian just sat down. Nothing up and running yet.Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is SB with [Ad], [Ah]. UTG raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG caps, Hero calls.Flop: (9 SB) [5s], [Kc], [Kh] (2 players)Hero checks, UTG checks.Turn: (4.50 BB) [5d] (2 players)Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.River: (6.50 BB) [Kd] (2 players)Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls.Final Pot: 10.50 BB

[econ_tim 0]

if you are playing right now, i wouldn't mind sweating you

[screech 0]

if you are playing right now, i wouldn't mind sweating you

I quit as soon as that KQ hand was over.

[BoBetter 0]

I like the way you played that hand. bwtfdik.

[Pancake407 0]

Why check the flop?

[CobaltBlue 662]

Why check the flop?

We don't want to spook QQ/JJ/TT, and we might be in WA/WB...though that obviously changes later.

[Pancake407 0]

We don't want to spook QQ/JJ/TT, and we might be in WA/WB...though that obviously changes later.

Yea, but wouldnt we miss a lot of value if the turn were to check through?

[CobaltBlue 662]

Yea, but wouldnt we miss a lot of value if the turn were to check through?

With him capping pre-flop, it seems highly unlikely he'll check behind us twice, but it's a good question.

[Verdimme 0]

At first glance I hated this. Now that i think about it more, with the wa/wb thing I like it better. What was your reasoning Screech?

[Pancake407 0]

I don't like it. Maybe I just don't understand it, but our opponent can't make a mistake if we don't bet. I don't mind checking to him on the flop, but I think we have to bet the turn since he checked behind. I don't know, someone explain this line to me, please i really dont understand the reasoning.EDIT: This is 5/10, so im sure its a lot different then the donkeys on .5/1 or 1/2 that call this down with any pp. But, id still like to hear some reasoning behind this line.

[screech 0]

At first glance I hated this. Now that i think about it more, with the wa/wb thing I like it better. What was your reasoning Screech?

Well, I checked the flop for obvious reasons. I was going to c/r it, because I felt I would usually get called down by weaker pp's on this board, and that's what makes up most of villians range. When he checked behind, the possibility that he had a monster like KK/AK/KQs had to be given a lot more weight. Either that, or he had a smaller pp and was afraid of the K (I think most players would always bet Ax here).On the turn, I treated this as a wa/wb situation. He would probably bet any pp for value the whole way if I check again, so there was no point in betting. I was just going to check/call down.When the K hit the river, the hand combinations that beat me on the turn now got reduced by more than half. Again, I figured he would value bet any pp here, and maybe even try to steal half the pot with ace high or some other unlikley holding. So I check/raised, knowing that any hand (even a bluff) would now pay off.

[Verdimme 0]

Cool. I like it alot, i have to incorporate this into my game.

[Pancake407 0]

are you capping the river if 3-bet?

[Verdimme 0]

are you capping the river if 3-bet?

Hmm I think capping is wrong. If we raise the river, what does our opponent think we have..? Based on the preflop action and such, I think he will 3-bet only with a K in his hand. The check on the flop also indicates he might have a king.

[Actuary 3]

so if I have AK, I should check the flop in pos? (say I'm villan)Then let you bet the turn.Then depending on my read on you, raise turn or wait until river?I tend to bet in pos here with AK and then call a raise, and pop turn or river.But, maybe on this board, I fold good playersOh, wait, I don't play good players.

[screech 0]

Hmm I think capping is wrong. If we raise the river, what does our opponent think we have..? Based on the preflop action and such, I think he will 3-bet only with a K in his hand. The check on the flop also indicates he might have a king.

Yeah. I'd expect to see a K a lot if I get 3-bet. I'd still call of course.

so if I have AK, I should check the flop in pos? (say I'm villan)Then let you bet the turn.Then depending on my read on you, raise turn or wait until river?I tend to bet in pos here with AK and then call a raise, and pop turn or river.But, maybe on this board, I fold good playersOh, wait, I don't play good players.

Of course not. It doesn't mean that alot of players don't do it, no matter how poor a play it is. I think there are some spots where it can be useful thoguh. I would guess that 70% of the time a somewhat aggressive player checks behind the flop HU after having the lead pf it means he has a monster.

[greatwhite 0]

I would bet the flop and attempt to check/raise the turn against an aggressive opponent.

[Verdimme 0]

Screech, what would your line be if you got 3-bet on the flop?

[screech 0]

Screech, what would your line be if you got 3-bet on the flop?

Definetly call down.