screech 0 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Villian just sat down. Nothing up and running yet.Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is SB with [Ad], [Ah]. UTG raises, 2 folds, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG caps, Hero calls.Flop: (9 SB) [5s], [Kc], [Kh] (2 players)Hero checks, UTG checks.Turn: (4.50 BB) [5d] (2 players)Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.River: (6.50 BB) [Kd] (2 players)Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls.Final Pot: 10.50 BB Link to post Share on other sites
econ_tim 0 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 if you are playing right now, i wouldn't mind sweating you Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted March 21, 2006 Author Share Posted March 21, 2006 if you are playing right now, i wouldn't mind sweating youI quit as soon as that KQ hand was over. Link to post Share on other sites
BoBetter 0 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 I like the way you played that hand. bwtfdik. Link to post Share on other sites
Pancake407 0 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Why check the flop? Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Why check the flop?We don't want to spook QQ/JJ/TT, and we might be in WA/WB...though that obviously changes later. Link to post Share on other sites
Pancake407 0 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 We don't want to spook QQ/JJ/TT, and we might be in WA/WB...though that obviously changes later.Yea, but wouldnt we miss a lot of value if the turn were to check through? Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Yea, but wouldnt we miss a lot of value if the turn were to check through?With him capping pre-flop, it seems highly unlikely he'll check behind us twice, but it's a good question. Link to post Share on other sites
Verdimme 0 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 At first glance I hated this. Now that i think about it more, with the wa/wb thing I like it better. What was your reasoning Screech? Link to post Share on other sites
Pancake407 0 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 I don't like it. Maybe I just don't understand it, but our opponent can't make a mistake if we don't bet. I don't mind checking to him on the flop, but I think we have to bet the turn since he checked behind. I don't know, someone explain this line to me, please i really dont understand the reasoning.EDIT: This is 5/10, so im sure its a lot different then the donkeys on .5/1 or 1/2 that call this down with any pp. But, id still like to hear some reasoning behind this line. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted March 21, 2006 Author Share Posted March 21, 2006 At first glance I hated this. Now that i think about it more, with the wa/wb thing I like it better. What was your reasoning Screech?Well, I checked the flop for obvious reasons. I was going to c/r it, because I felt I would usually get called down by weaker pp's on this board, and that's what makes up most of villians range. When he checked behind, the possibility that he had a monster like KK/AK/KQs had to be given a lot more weight. Either that, or he had a smaller pp and was afraid of the K (I think most players would always bet Ax here).On the turn, I treated this as a wa/wb situation. He would probably bet any pp for value the whole way if I check again, so there was no point in betting. I was just going to check/call down.When the K hit the river, the hand combinations that beat me on the turn now got reduced by more than half. Again, I figured he would value bet any pp here, and maybe even try to steal half the pot with ace high or some other unlikley holding. So I check/raised, knowing that any hand (even a bluff) would now pay off. Link to post Share on other sites
Verdimme 0 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Cool. I like it alot, i have to incorporate this into my game. Link to post Share on other sites
Pancake407 0 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 are you capping the river if 3-bet? Link to post Share on other sites
Verdimme 0 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 are you capping the river if 3-bet?Hmm I think capping is wrong. If we raise the river, what does our opponent think we have..? Based on the preflop action and such, I think he will 3-bet only with a K in his hand. The check on the flop also indicates he might have a king. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 so if I have AK, I should check the flop in pos? (say I'm villan)Then let you bet the turn.Then depending on my read on you, raise turn or wait until river?I tend to bet in pos here with AK and then call a raise, and pop turn or river.But, maybe on this board, I fold good playersOh, wait, I don't play good players. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted March 22, 2006 Author Share Posted March 22, 2006 Hmm I think capping is wrong. If we raise the river, what does our opponent think we have..? Based on the preflop action and such, I think he will 3-bet only with a K in his hand. The check on the flop also indicates he might have a king.Yeah. I'd expect to see a K a lot if I get 3-bet. I'd still call of course.so if I have AK, I should check the flop in pos? (say I'm villan)Then let you bet the turn.Then depending on my read on you, raise turn or wait until river?I tend to bet in pos here with AK and then call a raise, and pop turn or river.But, maybe on this board, I fold good playersOh, wait, I don't play good players.Of course not. It doesn't mean that alot of players don't do it, no matter how poor a play it is. I think there are some spots where it can be useful thoguh. I would guess that 70% of the time a somewhat aggressive player checks behind the flop HU after having the lead pf it means he has a monster. Link to post Share on other sites
greatwhite 0 Posted March 23, 2006 Share Posted March 23, 2006 I would bet the flop and attempt to check/raise the turn against an aggressive opponent. Link to post Share on other sites
Verdimme 0 Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 Screech, what would your line be if you got 3-bet on the flop? Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted March 25, 2006 Author Share Posted March 25, 2006 Screech, what would your line be if you got 3-bet on the flop?Definetly call down. Link to post Share on other sites
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