BigDMcGee 3,355 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I'd be really disappointed if I end up in Hitler tier postmortem. he was pretty great at politics but it's an insult to compare him to Napoleon. I'm not sure that's true. Napoleon was a much better pure strategist, but Hitler was the first to master the type manipulation of the masses that was needed to turn a modern state into a war mongering monster. Both had different skill sets, but similar records, and similar downfails and I'd argue Hitler's was in a much tougher era. A lot of the success of Napoleon was in conscription, turning the whole of the french populace into a fighting pool. France was the first modern state to do that, and he was going against tiny mercenary armies at first and pounded them. They weren't fair fights. Hitler had to go against fully realized modern powers and wiped the floor with them. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,355 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 And of course, sorry about your uncle. I saw the Hitler/Napoleon thing first and had to jump in. Nap kinda grinds my gears. Much of the tactical stuff he gets credit for innovating, the pace, logistics and what not, is stuff that the mongols were doing centuries before. It's Conscription and artillery that he really innovated, which I mean were great, but they get overrated historically. Condolences about your uncle. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Sklansky 1,904 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 ...but I doubt either of them will be in the same moral ballpark as me. I hope, anyway. God's ways are unknowable. And ever-changing in emphasis and severity. I'd wait to see where things sit when the dust settles on file sharing before looking down on Hitler, because depending on how that one plays out, you and I and Hitler will have a lot of explaining to do. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,355 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Unless you were saying that Napoleon and Hitler shouldn't be compared, because Napoleon had no overt genocidal agenda. And sure, fine, but that's splitting hairs. The guy caused 10's of millions of Europeans to die, purely for his desire for Tyranny. He brought a lot of the fruits of the French Revolution to backwards ass places along for the ride, but spreading the revolution was never the goal. Acquisition of power and glory was his goal, and in that he was exactly like Hitler. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,757 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 To your first paragraph, why would that make me mad? Seems nice. I don't think you'll see anyone again, but the rest is nice. 2nd part: So I'm not crazy then, he did overreact, right? Good. It wasn't so much an apology than an explanation. I am just trying to avoid a lengthy annoying back and forth. I just don't like drama and anger. As far as you and I, we rarely discuss politics or religion anymore. Tilt is just as conservative politically as you are, if not more, so that isn't it. I don't know what to tell you, I don't have a thought on the topic. You're always good with me. If you think I wouldn't apologize to you, then I apologize. If you say Imoverreact to you a la Tilt, my sincerest apology. But yes, I'm anti-religious. But that has nothing to do with how I interact with you. At least I hope not. You don't push it No need to apologize. I've just felt like I've been annoying you more lately. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,757 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I'm not sure that's true. Napoleon was a much better pure strategist, but Hitler was the first to master the type manipulation of the masses that was needed to turn a modern state into a war mongering monster. Both had different skill sets, but similar records, and similar downfails and I'd argue Hitler's was in a much tougher era. A lot of the success of Napoleon was in conscription, turning the whole of the french populace into a fighting pool. France was the first modern state to do that, and he was going against tiny mercenary armies at first and pounded them. They weren't fair fights. Hitler had to go against fully realized modern powers and wiped the floor with them. Hitler made several really bad errors in strategy. (Russia. Oil. Steel. Etc.) I feel like that brings his overall genocidal dictator score down a few notches. Link to post Share on other sites
InternetExplorer 2,609 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Hitler will never be remembered as a great military genius, that's all. I'm not saying Napoleon didn't make egregious mistakes, but Hitler's influence with his generals was harmful to his own interests for most of WWII. the heir to the Bonaparte claim is a few years younger than me and lives in NYC. an investment banker. so we came full circle. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Essay21 2,387 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I just submitted a scathing denial of a discretionary request. It felt good. Link to post Share on other sites
Tiltinagain 973 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Also, I was generalizing about politicians appointing people that favor industries to oversee them, not payday lending specifically. John Oliver covered that in the video I'm guessing you didn't watch all 16 minutes of. But Bush did appoint a big oil guy to run the EPA. There are other examples but I am too lazy to look it up. I was saying that I have no doubt this administration did the same shady stuff. Not with payday lending specifically, but in general. It wasn't really my main point. Oh. I guess when you mentioned the feds appointing people from the industry to set policy for the industry in the middle of a payday loan discussion I just assumed you were still talking about the payday industry. All good Tilt. I have no doubts you know more about your industry than I do. All I tried to do was convey my experiences with payday lending and what I took from that piece. I wasn't being confrontation or demeaning or loud or repetitive. If I was, my bad. / It's all good. I too apologize if I was insulting. Not my intent at all. And again, just for the record, I am not defending the industry as much as I'm defending facts. I have no problem with anybody that thinks the industry is not good. There's lots of peoplet that think porn and sex toys should be banned too, everyone has their thing and is entitled to their opinion. When I get fired up is when people in general say things about the industry that are just not true and/or think they should have the right to tell anybody what they can do with their money a la nanny state BS. I don't think I'm nearly as conservative as brv. I am an athiest for one. I am fiscally conservative but socially more of a moderate, especially as I get older. I am not for banning abortion and think that social programs are abused and do more harm than good except for the most extreme cases. Just as examples. Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Mexico 4,219 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Then I definitely take that one back. I love ny atheists, and abortions, woohooo Link to post Share on other sites
Essay21 2,387 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Then I definitely take that one back. I love ny atheists, and abortions, woohooo And yet you never got along with LG. Irony! 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Iphonenkinder 558 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 My beer last night was so sour it made my mouth sweat. It was especially good with my grilled cheese sandwich. Here's a photo of last week's meal. I'm still thinking about the advocado with sardines. Link to post Share on other sites
ShakeZuma 585 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 what's so special about the ones from new york? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Tiltinagain 973 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 My beer last night was so sour it made my mouth sweat. It was especially good with my grilled cheese sandwich. Here's a photo of last week's meal. I'm still thinking about the advocado with sardines. I was really looking forward to the pic too... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Essay21 2,387 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I was really looking forward to the pic too... Just like a woman, teases is with the best parts. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,355 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 what's so special about the ones from new york? They have good bagels. Link to post Share on other sites
JubilantLankyLad 1,957 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I was really looking forward to the pic too... Must be some new diet fad. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
JubilantLankyLad 1,957 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 I was really looking forward to the pic too... Here you go 5 Link to post Share on other sites
frautotenkinder 1,025 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 I was really looking forward to the pic too... Just like a woman, teases is with the best parts. Must be some new diet fad. Hey guys, don't worry. Here's what I ate in word and image. We went to dinner at Father's Office for dinner. We had Avocado toast with sardines Spicy lamb skewers (with grilled fennel) Patatas bravas (spicy chorizo with pee wee potatoes and goat cheese) Beet salad (with cabrales blue cheese, walnuts, pumpkin seed oil) Father's Office Burger and frites (caramelized onion, applewood bacon, gruyere, maytag blue, arugula) Drank Ladyface Blind Ambition (Me, was asked for bartender recommendation. I told him the last beer I had that I had really liked was Brother Thelonious), and Victory Golden Monkey (him, picked for the name). 3 Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,757 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Oh man, I totally see Mr. Chicago's arms! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Tiltinagain 973 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Avocado and sardines. Hmmm. I like both but would have never thought to blend the two. Might have to try that. Kind of a last minute deal but I'm headed to Chicago the 1st of September for a few days. Work related of course but we're staying downtown again. Looking forward to checking out more of the city. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Iphonenkinder 558 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Ass. That's me. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
InternetExplorer 2,609 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Ass. That's me. you look great fwiw 3 Link to post Share on other sites
JubilantLankyLad 1,957 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 you look great fwiw I always has you pegged as a wrist man. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,757 Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Frau and Strat really should start dating. I think it's important. Link to post Share on other sites
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