RodReynolds 87 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Dear RodReynolds:You are Mr.Zimmerlin.Regards,The Magnificent Shimmering WangDear The Magnificent Shimmering WangI can neither confirm nor deny this outlandish statement.Cheers,RodReynoldsP.S. I am now quitting this thread. Link to post Share on other sites
gobears 0 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 For JeffStrat - Animal Lover (Pandas wasn't it?). Peregrine falcons in San Jose and their chicks.Falcon Cam Link to post Share on other sites
turd ferguson 1 Posted May 16, 2007 Author Share Posted May 16, 2007 the first two seasons are very good, the third, not so much. if you want to see a real cool one, check out the one amiri barakaTo me it just sounds like racism. you should read it then, the movie was okay but the books are great, esp the first oneI'll put them on my list. ok, I'm losing track, who's quitting from this one? Loogie?Hopefully, we're all quitting. Link to post Share on other sites
renaedawn 1 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I figured I would get at least one pm, well played Wang. The one from FWP I didn't expectDammit. I'm always late to the party. Link to post Share on other sites
GrinderMJ 0 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I wouldn't care.Fair, but I doubt that if a couple people from this thread that you talk to on a regular basis were to send you a strat pm or two it would really bother you. And if it would then it wouldn't be hard to delete just like you delete all the other junk. I'm not spamming you for Jebus' sake. PresentReally?True. I didn't know you were talking about a sng let alone a turbo. I don't play many, but I was under the impression that you can just play these things on autopilot with a pretty basic system.I fail to see how that's relevant, I don't care about what you think of my PM reading habits, but we're discussing it. On a lighter note, did you, Smash, and DDIDM all go to the school of breaking people's posts down line by line and responding in short, sarcastic/condescending sentences with flawless grammar? All 3 of you do the exact same, it's strange Link to post Share on other sites
mk 11 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 WTF does that mean?Visit the $30/$50 sngs on Ultimate Bet. I recognize at least 4 names if not more almost every game.whoa tiger!my point was simply that the structure of the game overrides any possible metagame implications. the cost of making sub-optimal plays is just too great. Link to post Share on other sites
GrinderMJ 0 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I don't even know who FWP is, but I'm upset that he/she/it (???) stole my thunder.Mr.DannyG. Or you.Here's the PM, he's just too easy to get riled up. is your ****ing problem? thats the second time you posted that bull ****, me andy and mark are all on good terms after my **** up, (you think I didnt dont feel bad) you wanna discuss something that doesnt ****ing concern you you can IM me bout it ok u ****ing clown.I thought maybe I liked you but your talking **** for no reason. so ya **** you(I called him a scammer) Link to post Share on other sites
Ouch-8s 4 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Hopefully, we're all quitting. Link to post Share on other sites
rocketpoker828 0 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Hopefully, we're all quitting.You are one pessimistic sumbitch. Link to post Share on other sites
turd ferguson 1 Posted May 16, 2007 Author Share Posted May 16, 2007 I fail to see how that's relevant, I don't care about what you think of my PM reading habits, but we're discussing it. On a lighter note, did you, Smash, and DDIDM all go to the school of breaking people's posts down line by line and responding in short, sarcastic/condescending sentences with flawless grammar? All 3 of you do the exact same, it's strangeIt's just easier to be clear that way. Basically all I'm saying is that it isn't a big deal if a couple people wrote you messages asking for advice. If anything, you should be glad to be thought of as an authority on the subject, but instead you took the opportunity to let everyone know that you were too cool for stuff like that and you're much too busy to be bothered because you're such a stud around here. We get it. Link to post Share on other sites
Bizzle 0 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I was going to say this, too. This play is more suited for long-term cashgame play, or at a big-field tournament with semi-observant players at a table unlikely to break soon. In these situations, limping up from with bigger hands will discourage shut out raises from LP and the blinds, and allow you to- like Bizzle said- open up in early position and see a few cheaper flops. It CAN be a play for value, however, in some circumstances. If your UTG limp highly increases the chance of an LP raise or shove- and your chances of getting action from other players with a raise is low- this CAN be the proper way to maximize value. That being said, the circumstances also have to be perfect. There's one successful tournament player in particular that I used to butt heads with on Paradise (NSXT2) that used this play in the middle-to-late stages of big-field tournaments with alot of success. In situations like that, the dead money from an EP limp and the blinds/antes is so attractive that medium stacks would pounce on the opportunity to pick up some chips, and be 4-1 dogs when the cards were turned over. WangWell said sir.I don't remember what hand history I posted in here, but I don't really play turbo sngs. If I do, they're for very little money and very much fun.The sngs that I play are filled with a lot of the same players. Mixing up your play is important.It was a turbo sng on tilt. I was the one who said "ewww", you said the mixing up your play thing, and I didn't respond because I thought I was getting leveled.even if this were true, the nature of a STT dictates that playing ABC in the early stages is correct. in the later stages, it's good to know the abc plays (i.e. correct push-botting) but also good to have a little creativity, but not much. if creative poker is what you're looking to play, there are better places to go outside of sit and go's.Yeppers.whoa tiger!my point was simply that the structure of the game overrides any possible metagame implications. the cost of making sub-optimal plays is just too great.Note to loogie: sub-optimal play includes limping AQo in EP, getting half your stack in on a QJrag flop, folding to a shove and not seeing a showdown. Link to post Share on other sites
GrinderMJ 0 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 It's just easier to be clear that way. Basically all I'm saying is that it isn't a big deal if a couple people wrote you messages asking for advice. If anything, you should be glad to be thought of as an authority on the subject, but instead you took the opportunity to let everyone know that you were too cool for stuff like that and you're much too busy to be bothered because you're such a stud around here. We get it.Hi, I don't e-fight on the internet with people anymore. I was kidding, read my posts and see if I care a ton about people asking me for help. Second, ya you know me very well clearly. Ask any of the members of this thread who I talk to on AIM and ask them if I ever have ever said no to sweating a HH or giving advice or discussing hands. Even ask them if they think I'm full of myself or act like helping them out is a burden to me. You might be surprised. Third, this is stupid. Link to post Share on other sites
loogie 115 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 whoa tiger!my point was simply that the structure of the game overrides any possible metagame implications. the cost of making sub-optimal plays is just too great.Well, you started your point by questioning the accuracy of my statement...so you got the appropriate response. I have a short fuse. It happens....when I'm not stoned.I hear over and over how ABC is the correct strategy for sngs. I say it depends on the table. You say that my style spews chips. My results disagree. Link to post Share on other sites
loogie 115 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 It was a turbo sng on tilt. I was the one who said "ewww", you said the mixing up your play thing, and I didn't respond because I thought I was getting leveled.Nope. I'm referring to a different hand titled Loogie is Out of Control in the tourny forum. I don't play Full Tilt. Link to post Share on other sites
turd ferguson 1 Posted May 16, 2007 Author Share Posted May 16, 2007 Hi, I don't e-fight on the internet with people anymore. I was kidding, read my posts and see if I care a ton about people asking me for help. Second, ya you know me very well clearly. Ask any of the members of this thread who I talk to on AIM and ask them if I ever have ever said no to sweating a HH or giving advice or discussing hands. Even ask them if they think I'm full of myself or act like helping them out is a burden to me. You might be surprised. Third, this is stupid.You're right. This really is silly, and I'm not trying to argue. It just seemed dumb to me that you made a point to let everyone know that you couldn't be bothered with any messages because you already had too many stupid ones to deal with so I gave you a hard time about it. It's what I do. Link to post Share on other sites
Bizzle 0 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Hand #42323821-18 at TurboSnG-0001a (No Limit Hold'em Sit and Go) l000gie: Qs AcPre-flop:l000gie calls. Flop (board: Qh 7d Jh): blackdouglas checks. djr1617 checks. sszzll bets 200. l000gie raises to 500. tedtb folds. blackdouglas folds. djr1617 folds. sszzll goes all-in for 1540. l000gie folds, showing Qs Ac. sszzll is returned 1040 (uncalled). sszzll opts to show Js Qd. sszzll has Js Qd Qh 7d Jh: two pair, queens and jacks. Hmk.This is what I was referring to. Link to post Share on other sites
mk 11 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I hear over and over how ABC is the correct strategy for sngs. I say it depends on the table. You say that my style spews chips. My results disagree.sounds pretty results oriented, but hey. i'm definitely an advocate of playing the style that suits you. so by all means, play calvinball. Link to post Share on other sites
loogie 115 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 This is what I was referring to.I don't know what "HMK" means.It looks like I made a pretty good play there. I know. I know. If I raise it up preflop, he probably folds preflop, but I don't remember this tourny, the situation, the buy-in, or any other important factors.Meanwhile, the read was still good. The fold was correct. Link to post Share on other sites
gobears 0 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Tourney Strat HandThis is the AQ hand from the tourney strat forum - Notice that Simo said "ewww" also.Bizzle is Simo? Link to post Share on other sites
mk 11 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Meanwhile, the read was still good. The fold was correct.oh nooh noyou've done itprepare to feel the wrath of SeriousBizzle[grabs popcorn, soda] Link to post Share on other sites
loogie 115 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 oh nooh noyou've done itprepare to feel the wrath of SeriousBizzle[grabs popcorn, soda]I ain't scurred. I'm results oriented. Link to post Share on other sites
Bizzle 0 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Meanwhile, the read was still good. The fold was correct.I hereby remove your proposed dictatorship of the tourney strat forum.Bizzle is Simo?Never. Link to post Share on other sites
GrinderMJ 0 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I don't know if Simo just doesn't publish his results, but with the strategy he gives, I have a hard time believing he isn't a really successful player. He is virtually always spot on, and is able to clearly explain his ideas. Link to post Share on other sites
loogie 115 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I hereby remove your proposed dictatorship of the tourney strat forum.I don't understand. Why am I supposed to call here? Link to post Share on other sites
Bizzle 0 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I don't understand. Why am I supposed to call here?You're at worst a flip against a turbotard's range. You're getting 2:1. Folding is dumb.Oh wait. Sorry, I just saw he had two pair. Nevermind, good fold. Link to post Share on other sites
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