Essay21 2,385 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 You'll find something better. Link to post Share on other sites
iZuma 764 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 hahahahahaha Link to post Share on other sites
Napa Lite 3,278 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Yeah, you probably won't regret not taking it. Link to post Share on other sites
Essay21 2,385 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I believe in shake and his power. The universe will provide for him, it always does. Link to post Share on other sites
iZuma 764 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I'm just gonna put it all in god's hands 1 Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Question for you shake: how did your interview get to that point without money being brought up? Didn't they make you give them a number, prior to the offer, that you would accept? Link to post Share on other sites
iZuma 764 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 salary never even got brought up. it was strange. I figured it would have. but I mean they didn't even call me with the offer, just emailed it straight to me, salary info inside, like it was all a foregone conclusion. seemed kind of strange. not to mention that the entire process from me applying to the offer took two weeks. jobs don't move that fast in freaking temp services, let alone full time places. seemed strange to me. I mean, it's not necesairly a bad thing that they were quick, just so far out of the ordinary. Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Mexico 4,219 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 When HR people or job applications ask you your salary expectations, how do you guys handle that? In negotiations, the first one to throw a number out loses. I always feel that asking for what I want/need will scare them off but asking for what I'll accept is giving up. Then I can't negotiate because that's what I wrote down. I think I overthink this whole deal Link to post Share on other sites
iZuma 764 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 nah it's always the most stressful part. and the worst part is they all seem to do it differently. what is your current salary, what is your expected salary, nothing about either... I've gotten all forms. really pisses me off when they insist that you tell them your current salary but won't say a peep about what the position pays. one supposedly really great company I interviewed for did that; turned me off on them almost completely. edit: and I was thinking more along the lines of during the interview. the application ones suck too because you never know if you didn't get the interview because of the number or what. Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Mexico 4,219 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Yep, exactly. They think, this guy is too expensive, next Link to post Share on other sites
The Ocho 970 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I would say something like "my current salary is not relevant to the job I am applying for as they are different positions at different companies." Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Mexico 4,219 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 And they'll say: Oh, cool. NEXT Link to post Share on other sites
Napa Lite 3,278 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I'd always just write down my current salary and what number I had in my head as a fair market rate if asked and then I also knew the lowest number I'd accept if they countered. Screw playing their negotiation games. Also helps having a job at the time of negotiations so you can just say "nope, not going to work for that". Link to post Share on other sites
InternetExplorer 2,609 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 the last interview I did, they asked what I was expecting, I told them that my agency contact had prepared me for a lateral move. I said I'd expect to get promoted once or twice in the next five years, that I was taking this job for growth, knowing that it was a start-up and expecting things to find their way to my desk (or actively seek them myself). lateral was $35k, they offered $40. if it's a big enough company, glass door is a decent way to approximate what you should be asking for. or even using a different company with the same title. if it's a pretty common type of position, the BLS has statistics on different job titles per region. e.g. paralegal, whatever. Link to post Share on other sites
InternetExplorer 2,609 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 not that you asked or would listen to me anyway. the last like I saw from Mexico was a post detailing some misfortune that had befallen me. not a very friendly way to behave. Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Mexico 4,219 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I remember that like. I think I purposefully was being dickish, for a chuckle. Why wouldn't I listen to you? I think you offer plenty of value on these types of topics. When I understand what you're writing. Link to post Share on other sites
hank213 1,823 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 if there's one thing strat knows, it's changing jobs. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Essay21 2,385 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Think of the minimum money you would accept and ask for more than that. How much more depends on how bad you need the job. Link to post Share on other sites
InternetExplorer 2,609 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 you are going to be a lot more confident in digging in your heels for a number if you're sure that's what other people are getting paid. ultimately there is a market rate, and that HR person knows it from having interviewed people, seeing survey data, etc. they will push back, but if they want you and you aren't being unreasonable with your number, you'll get the job. of course, there's always the outside chance that they just have unrealistic expectations about what they're going to get for the salary they're offering. that's going to happen regardless of how much research you do. obviously where I ****ed up with my current job is, I didn't realize they were willing to fully lie to me to get me in the door at a cheaper rate. nothing my friend had said about this place led me to believe that that was a part of their culture. oops. Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Mexico 4,219 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Maybe start stealing from them? If anyone could put together a nice algorithm, it's you Link to post Share on other sites
SuitedAces21 2,722 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 i have an overwhelming urge for a donut. like i gotta have it or i'll start hurting myself. Link to post Share on other sites
mrfritz 884 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 what kind? Link to post Share on other sites
SuitedAces21 2,722 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 raspberry filled. Link to post Share on other sites
hank213 1,823 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 cake. with chocolate frosting and chopped nuts. or with white frosting and coconut. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
mrfritz 884 Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 ima boston creme kinda guy 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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