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I know Daniel loves a challenge and that he has plenty of money, but this whole deal with continuing to play heads-up with ATW smacks of pride to me. I'm sure in pretty much every other form of poker that Daniel would be a decent favorite over someone with Patrik's limited experience. But at HULHE, he is absolutely having his *** handed to him by this guy.I just don't think there's any shame in admitting when someone has your number. But, obviously, Daniel is a substantially better judge of his EV in this game than I am (being just a very occasional observer). Maybe he really does believe he's a long-term favorite over ATW. But it just seems like there would be easier ways to make some money.
I've only watched one or two partial sessions that they played, but I've read some of DN's posts about the sessions. LHE the swings r huge and when the cards run bad and other times the other player is sucking out huge hands after playing horribly yeah 100K swing easy. But I've noticed that ATW usually will quit a session if he loses about 20-30K. But DN seems to keep playing when he's down. I'm not saying that's bad, but it's gonna be tough to get back 200K+ from ATW if ATW keeps sticking to 20-30K stop-loss sessions. What do u think DN?
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This session was just flat out insane. Totally insane. The way the cards have fallen in our matches it would be totally, and utterly impossible for anyone to win. Four times he had AA. Each time, I had QQ JJ JJ and KK! I ended up with AA 7 times, but lost FIVE of them... heads up! On other occassions, I held top set against... well, nothing. Flop J-7-5 vs K-8 and we cap it. Turn a 6 and we cap it again... wouldn't you know, 9 on the river! The sickest beats I've taken though are the ones that don't seem as dramatic. Stuff like:J6 hearts vs Q4. Flop J 3 4 with two hearts. River Q Or, I have:As 3s vs Ks 10h Flop 3 5 8 with two spades. Turn 5... river K???????????? I have been more unlucky in these matches than I've ever been while playing poker in the last 14 years. It's not even close.

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This session was just flat out insane. Totally insane. The way the cards have fallen in our matches it would be totally, and utterly impossible for anyone to win. Four times he had AA. Each time, I had QQ JJ JJ and KK! I ended up with AA 7 times, but lost FIVE of them... heads up! On other occassions, I held top set against... well, nothing. Flop J-7-5 vs K-8 and we cap it. Turn a 6 and we cap it again... wouldn't you know, 9 on the river! The sickest beats I've taken though are the ones that don't seem as dramatic. Stuff like:J6 hearts vs Q4. Flop J 3 4 with two hearts. River Q Or, I have:As 3s vs Ks 10h Flop 3 5 8 with two spades. Turn 5... river K???????????? I have been more unlucky in these matches than I've ever been while playing poker in the last 14 years. It's not even close.
Bad beat forum is down the street. :club:
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This session was just flat out insane. Totally insane. The way the cards have fallen in our matches it would be totally, and utterly impossible for anyone to win. Four times he had AA. Each time, I had QQ JJ JJ and KK! I ended up with AA 7 times, but lost FIVE of them... heads up! On other occassions, I held top set against... well, nothing. Flop J-7-5 vs K-8 and we cap it. Turn a 6 and we cap it again... wouldn't you know, 9 on the river! The sickest beats I've taken though are the ones that don't seem as dramatic. Stuff like:J6 hearts vs Q4. Flop J 3 4 with two hearts. River Q Or, I have:As 3s vs Ks 10h Flop 3 5 8 with two spades. Turn 5... river K???????????? I have been more unlucky in these matches than I've ever been while playing poker in the last 14 years. It's not even close.
I have a suggestion DN. Why don't u play ATW NL HE HU? I see that ATW sits in NLHE tables too. I think u could discourage some of his chasing and crazy plays and it'd be better for ur mood after the beats u've taken in these limit sessions...??
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Well, having read Daniel's recitation of the beats he's taken, I can see now why he wants to keep playing. Eventually, probabilities dictate the pendulum will swing the other way and things will even out. That's a nasty run of luck he's describing, even with the normally wild swings of HULHE. Losing 5/7 times with AA heads-up? Sick. I'm pretty calm when I play, win or lose, but I think my laptop and Mr. Wall would be meeting abruptly if that happened.

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I have a suggestion DN. Why don't u play ATW NL HE HU? I see that ATW sits in NLHE tables too. I think u could discourage some of his chasing and crazy plays and it'd be better for ur mood after the beats u've taken in these limit sessions...??
Im sure his NLHE play style is different from his HU LHE play style...
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Im not a fortune teller but Daniel is one of the best poker players in the world. As he gains more knowledge and practice at different games with the best players in the world he will only get better, therefore, he will win in the long run. Patrik might win more than Daniel on FCP, but Daniel will take the knowledge and practice and use it to beat others.
There is no question that DN is one of the best in the world overall, and I am sure his online game will improve over time. The only problem is that all of the top hu players are playing countless hours daily (I don't personally know how much ATW plays) where as DN generally is only playing once a week or so. I am sure he is gaining experience from this, but it seems like ATW is the only person giving DN action at the 500/1000 limit that he wants to play. Other than the whole dreamclown thing, I think it is going to be difficult for DN to get much of any action unless its from one of the top few hu players online.
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Well, having read Daniel's recitation of the beats he's taken, I can see now why he wants to keep playing. Eventually, probabilities dictate the pendulum will swing the other way and things will even out. That's a nasty run of luck he's describing, even with the normally wild swings of HULHE. Losing 5/7 times with AA heads-up? Sick. I'm pretty calm when I play, win or lose, but I think my laptop and Mr. Wall would be meeting abruptly if that happened.
Yeah man LOL I hear u. Everyone has a level that they can tolerate. It was a good move by DN to quit after that last hand losing to runner runner flush(no pair no draw).
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This session was just flat out insane. Totally insane. The way the cards have fallen in our matches it would be totally, and utterly impossible for anyone to win. Four times he had AA. Each time, I had QQ JJ JJ and KK! I ended up with AA 7 times, but lost FIVE of them... heads up! On other occassions, I held top set against... well, nothing. Flop J-7-5 vs K-8 and we cap it. Turn a 6 and we cap it again... wouldn't you know, 9 on the river! The sickest beats I've taken though are the ones that don't seem as dramatic. Stuff like:J6 hearts vs Q4. Flop J 3 4 with two hearts. River Q Or, I have:As 3s vs Ks 10h Flop 3 5 8 with two spades. Turn 5... river K???????????? I have been more unlucky in these matches than I've ever been while playing poker in the last 14 years. It's not even close.
The deck has been sick for you with this guy lately. ATW seems to play much like some locals here play 3-6! Call with vitually anything and hope the deck loves you for the night. Didn't seem to be a whole lot of stategy goin on there by Patrick, or am I wrong?And what was up with that "you know the software" comment?You are indeed over due for a great session D.
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The deck has been sick for you with this guy lately. ATW seems to play much like some locals here play 3-6! Call with vitually anything and hope the deck loves you for the night. Didn't seem to be a whole lot of stategy goin on there by Patrick, or am I wrong?
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Who cares how much Daniel loses to Patrik, its all practice, unfortunately at a cost. Daniel will win in the long run. Patrik is a hell of a limit hold em player and Daniel will only get better as he plays more heads up with the best players.
Wow? No.You totally ignore these immediate and amazing facts..1. HU LHE is not a game to be judged by 100's of BB's rather than thousands. It's a freaking card catching contest--ESPECIALLY at this level.2. Antonius is amazing. He's very good. He owns, he pwns, he roams. He's VERY good. 3. Daniel, while one of the best players in the world, is not the BEST player at EVERY game. Seriously. It's not even close; he will get owned by Antonius--Patrik is that good. Daniel is great, Patrik is better--get it?4. You make this claim with no basis in reality--have you seen Antonius play? How many hands of Negreanu's have you seen in HU LHE? A couple hundred, maybe? Certainly not enough to make declarative statements about the feasibility of Daniel winning in the long run. 5. Stop. You simply don't know--neither do I, in all honesty, but at least I can attempt to view it objectively. My god, you people are downright embarassing.
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I was pretty amazed at how quickly both DN and PA made their decisions on each round. They moved so fast it was hard to keep up sometimes. Even the tougher decisions usually took 5 secs or less.Phlat________ :club:

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Check out this hand guys:Hand History: View Previous hand for this table. Texas Hold'em $500-$1000 (Real Money), #259,548,315 Table Natitingou, 18 Mar 2006 10:48 PM ET Seat 3: KidPoker ($24,468.50 in chips) Seat 9: AllTheWomen ($100,193.50 in chips) ANTES/BLINDSAllTheWomen posts blind ($250), KidPoker posts blind ($500).PRE-FLOPAllTheWomen bets $750, KidPoker bets $1,000, AllTheWomen bets $1,000, KidPoker calls $500.FLOP [board cards AS,4D,7C ]KidPoker checks, AllTheWomen bets $500, KidPoker bets $1,000, AllTheWomen calls $500.TURN [board cards AS,4D,7C,8C ]KidPoker checks, AllTheWomen bets $1,000, KidPoker calls $1,000.RIVER [board cards AS,4D,7C,8C,10C ]KidPoker checks, AllTheWomen bets $1,000, KidPoker bets $2,000, AllTheWomen bets $2,000, KidPoker calls $1,000.SHOWDOWNAllTheWomen shows [ QC,JC ]KidPoker mucks cards [ AD,9H ]AllTheWomen wins $13,999. SUMMARYDealer: AllTheWomenPot: $14,000, (including rake: $1)KidPoker, loses $7,000AllTheWomen, bets $7,000, collects $13,999, net $6,999 KidPoker then says: Are u serious? ATW says: u know all the details of this software. I mean I know. What does this mean? I don't know ATW but it kinda seems like he makes excuses everytime he makes bad plays/calls and the deck turns/rivers miracle cards for him...
my guess is just that he was gonna ask daniel a question about the software and then got involved in the hand and wrote another reply on top of it...thats why he said i mean i know it sick in other words...just my guessi do this often...i get pissed at someone who donkeys me on some bad beat and type a bunch of junk in the chat but cool off and don't send it...then 2 hands later someone makes a skillful play on me and when i go to compliment them they get a message thats says...wtf u donkeyaazz mofo im gonna bust ur head open nh
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4. You make this claim with no basis in reality--have you seen Antonius play? How many hands of Negreanu's have you seen in HU LHE? A couple hundred, maybe? Certainly not enough to make declarative statements about the feasibility of Daniel winning in the long run.
I might have been wrong but I was under the impression the poster was not necessarily refering to winning against ATW in the long run, but will benefit generally against all other players through the experience of playing (one of?) the best.
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