was this too aggressive?

[All_In 0]

or a bad beat? i didn't have the nuts. probably shouldn't have seen the flop, but occassionally i'll limp, then fold if i don't hit anything. maybe that's a bad play?***** Hand History for Game 1664959347 *****td_howes has left the table.Cabbie6 has left the table.0.5/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Mon Feb 28 22:00:44 EST 2005Table Table 14639 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the buttonTotal number of players : 6Seat 1: KIMBA1970 ( $54.25)Seat 5: st101 ( $25)Seat 7: PorgyBoy1 ( $25)Seat 8: djpax ( $31.25)Seat 9: fbrjd ( $31.25)Seat 10: exactaron ( $32.75)KIMBA1970 posts small blind (0.25)st101 posts big blind (0.5)PorgyBoy1 posts big blind (0.5)** Dealing down cards **Dealt to st101 [ Qc, 8c ] PorgyBoy1 checks.djpax calls (0.5)fbrjd raises (1) to 1exactaron folds.KIMBA1970 calls (0.75)st101 calls (0.5)PorgyBoy1 calls (0.5)djpax calls (0.5)** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jc, 3s, 9c ] KIMBA1970 checks.st101 bets (0.5)PorgyBoy1 calls (0.5)djpax folds.fbrjd calls (0.5)KIMBA1970 calls (0.5)** Dealing Turn ** : [ Kc ] KIMBA1970 bets (1)st101 calls (1)PorgyBoy1 folds.fbrjd folds.** Dealing River ** : [ Js ] KIMBA1970 bets (1)st101 raises (2) to 2KIMBA1970 raises (2) to 3st101 calls (1)** Summary **Main Pot: $14.25 | Rake: $0.75Board: [ Jc 3s 9c Kc Js ]KIMBA1970 balance $63, bet $5.5, collected $14.25, net +$8.75 [ Ac 6c ] [ a flush, ace high with ace kicker -- Ac,Kc,Jc,9c,6c ]st101 balance $19.5, lost $5.5 [ Qc 8c ] [ a flush, king high -- Kc,Qc,Jc,9c,8c ]Mr_Chupon balance $25, sits outPorgyBoy1 balance $23.5, lost $1.5 (folded) djpax balance $30.25, lost $1 (folded) fbrjd balance $29.75, lost $1.5 (folded) exactaron balance $32.75, didn't bet (folded)if there's a point here where i should've folded, please let me know.Thanks!

[Schneider 0]

pre flop

[Devilkin 0]

Nope I pretty well would have played it like you did . . when you hit the flush, and your opponent suddenly started to bet, Id have put him on two pair or a flush.Your read as to what kind of hands he plays. If he's loose, I play on.Id do this differently in NL, but in limit, thems the breaks for playing a flush without a K/ADev

[KenP 0]

Anything but a bad beat; the game clasification goes...just one of those handsThe questionable call was re reraise on the river. Not a horrid move but aggressive--especially when the board had paired at the river.

[All_In 0]

thanks all!just wondering if that re-raise on the river was bad (it was mentioned by the previous poster) because someone coulda had the A flush.and i was wondering if i shoulda thought of that right from the start.

[TheIceman05 0]

I like the raise on the river. When the board pairs here, especially considering he hadn't shown any agression yet, there's a pretty good chance he has a set and thinks it's good. He likely won't 3-bet you with just a set, so here you have to sigh and pay him off. Ice

[mays24 0]

Yeah - cost ya 2 bucks extra.But the guy that siad fold preflop was also on the money.Raised pot - Q-8 suited is a bit loose.

[mays24 0]

To only have had a set of jacks, Kimba would have had to bet out on the turn with just jacks, with a K on board.

[All_In 0]

Yeah - cost ya 2 bucks extra.But the guy that siad fold preflop was also on the money.Raised pot - Q-8 suited is a bit loose.

ya, i thought that might have been too loose. but the games at PP can be real loose, someone raising w/ A2o or something like that. i thought for .5 i can see the flop, and there was some money already in it.

[mays24 0]

Could have had K's up, caught the jack for 3 pair.But the higher flush out there, andf the boat - makes a raise not so wiseGREED gets us all -

[jrthunter 0]

pre flop

Absolutely fold this hand after a raise pre flop.No question

[Royal_Tour 0]

pre flop

Absolutely fold this hand after a raise pre flop.No question

The Original Pre-flop raiser, only called after the flop, I' assume he was a loose aggressive player, who raised in position, he ended up folding. So you cant blame his original idea to call from big blind.

[All_In 0]

pre flop

Absolutely fold this hand after a raise pre flop.No question

The Original Pre-flop raiser, only called after the flop, I' assume he was a loose aggressive player, who raised in position, he ended up folding. So you cant blame his original idea to call from big blind.

yes, the whole table had been pretty loose.

[brisk 0]

Whoever said fold preflop is tighter than a 12 year old. You were in the big blind six-handed, definately worth a call there even though it's not a spectacular hand. Personally, i rarely play big-littles, but in the big blind suited, sure, and Q-8 has straight possiblities too so its not all that horrid. I also agree this gets filed under "it just happens", but if you were worried about a better flush out there then you should've raised the turn. I'd probably have played it the same as you though.

[TheIceman05 0]

To only have had a set of jacks, Kimba would have had to bet out on the turn with just jacks, with a K on board.

You're right. I should have read the hand history closer. I saw that our HERO bet the flop and was under the assumption that he bet the turn, too. Anyway, I probably would have raised the turn, maybe even capped it, and then check-called the river. I would have lost MORE money. What do you think about that? If you raise in that situation with the Qhi flush, and you're 3-bet, would you cap it? Ice

[BetItAll33 0]

To only have had a set of jacks, Kimba would have had to bet out on the turn with just jacks, with a K on board.

You're right. I should have read the hand history closer. I saw that our HERO bet the flop and was under the assumption that he bet the turn, too. Anyway, I probably would have raised the turn, maybe even capped it, and then check-called the river. I would have lost MORE money. What do you think about that? If you raise in that situation with the Qhi flush, and you're 3-bet, would you cap it? Ice

I agree with Ice, raise the turn, presumably get 3 bet, then check/call the river.

[jayistheman 0]

agression definately wasnt your problem..... more of a loose/passive issue

[All_In 0]

agression definately wasnt your problem..... more of a loose/passive issue

can u elaborate pls?

[BetItAll33 0]

agression definately wasnt your problem..... more of a loose/passive issue

my play was too loose?where should I have bet more?

I think he meant too loose because you should fold preflop, which is debatable. Too passive because you should raise the turn.

[jayistheman 0]

upon closer inspection... .(i skimmed the HH before), you werent too passive.... good job... i was wondering why u didnt raise the turn, but now see that it would have driven others out if they had any kind of hand...... was still a really loose call pre flop.

[All_In 0]

agression definately wasnt your problem..... more of a loose/passive issue

my play was too loose?where should I have bet more?

I think he meant too loose because you should fold preflop, which is debatable. Too passive because you should raise the turn.

thanks, i realized that after i posted so i edited the comment.

[allinbluff35 0]

I like to blame Canada for hands like these.

[BilliardsBoy 0]

Preflop it was loose, but you said that you would normally not call with a hand like that. Hey, I'm sure most people here call raises with marginal or sub-par hands every now and then, myself included. I'm not going to criticize your call preflop. After that I don't think you played it too poorly. You had a hell of a draw, I probably would have played it the same. The K gave you your flush while at the same time eliminating the posibility of one of the better flushes your opponent could have. The J on the river is scary, but you raised probably trying to take the pot, so I'm fine with that too. Perfect play: doubtful. But it was far from poor. I'd rate it as a B to B+ performance.

[machete 0]

This is a classic example of how you can get into trouble from the BB with hands you would normally fold. I think it was played OK just have to take it on the chin this time.

[SabaAba 0]

You were in the BB with 6 people, that means it costs you 0.50 to win $5.50 and people are telling you to fold, NO WAY.Where I would have played it differently, is check/call the flop, check/raise/raise the turn and check/call the river. Hey losing to higher flushes happens. It sucks when you hit your 15 outer and lose, but it happens. Anyone who tells you that was a bad play is WRONG. You played fine. Believe it or not, you can play perfect and still lose, it happens.Good Luck