2 Pair Then Flush Draw Hits

[AshleyC 0]

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is BB with T:spade:, A:spade:. UTG calls, 1 fold, Button raises, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.Flop: (8 SB) A:club:, T:club:, K:heart: (4 players)SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, Button raises, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.Turn: (8 BB) 6:club: (4 players)SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, Button raises, SB folds, Hero folds, UTG calls.River: (12 BB) 2:spade: (2 players)UTG checks, Button checks.Final Pot: 12 BBShould I three bet the flop? Is it right to fold the turn when facing 2 bets cold after the flush draw has hit? Should I have bet out on the turn instead of checked.

[Actuary 3]

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[psujohn 0]

Were you looking to c/r the flop? You should have been. 3-bet it in this case. And then lead the turn. Protect two pair - don't slow play it. And for god's sake don't fold the turn.

[Pancake407 0]

I fold pre-flop.C/R flopLead TurnEdit: I 3-bet Pre-flop, didnt realize it was shorthanded.

[Silly_11 0]

I fold pre-flop.C/R flopLead TurnEdit: I 3-bet Pre-flop, didnt realize it was shorthanded.

I don't mind the call pre-flop because nobody assume you have a A when playing shorthanded and you just call.... passive I know but seems like you get paid off more. c/r flop and lead the turn (like everyone else said). I wouldn't fold the turn that's a for shizzle. With it shorthanded you VERY often have the best hand here.... not to base this on results but I'm assuming you're posting it because someone won with less then 2 pair.... that's my guess.

[doubleatrain 0]

I fold pre-flop.C/R flopLead TurnEdit: I 3-bet Pre-flop, didnt realize it was shorthanded.

I wouldn't even fold that preflop if it was a full ring game. I think a relatively big suited ace is an easy call, especially from the BB.Beyond that, though, I like the C/R flop lead turn line. Unless it gets capped behind me, then I'm more likely to not lead the turn and reassess.

[Actuary 3]

how I see it...you should've c/r the flop, unless you had a read that Button shuts down after preflop raising, ever..in which case lead & 3-bet flopsince you will be last flop aggressor..because you will even cap it if possible...lead the turn.with no reads on aggressiveness, and being 5 handed, call two back to you on turn (under the scenario I"m laying out).c/c river.*** read replies ****easy call from BB.I'd 3-bet is 5 handed..probably... 6 for certain.I'd also 3-bet if it was a late pos steal raise, but UTG in, so not.I hate our turn situation becase villans do not know how strong we are, so they may be doing this with Ax + flush draw.

[AshleyC 0]

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Hero is BB with T:spade:, A:spade:. UTG calls, 1 fold, Button raises, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.Flop: (8 SB) A:club:, T:club:, K:heart: (4 players)SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, Button raises, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.Turn: (8 BB) 6:club: (4 players)SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets, Button raises, SB folds, Hero folds, UTG calls.River: (12 BB) 2:spade: (2 players)UTG checks, Button checks.Final Pot: 12 BBResults in white below: UTG has Js Qc (straight, ace high). Button has Ah Jd (one pair, aces). Outcome: UTG wins 12 BB. Results in white below: UTG has Js Qc (straight, ace high). Button has Ah Jd (one pair, aces). Outcome: UTG wins 12 BB. UTG was 52/31 (203 hands), button was 68/0 (25 hands). My plan was to check raise the turn. I recently re-read SSHE and the section about protecting hands (p164). He mentions calling the flop and then check raising the turn. In this hand, if I were to check raise the flop, the villans will be getting enough odds to draw to their flush draw. However, by calling and then check raising a blank on the turn can I deny them to proper odds? This isn't really a play that I've ever used, and was quite suprised when I read it. I think that he means you deny the field except the pre flop raiser the correct odds, assuming they check to the pre flop raiser as they will need to cold call 2BB if I check raise. Of course in this example the flush draw hit on the turn and the other player didnt check to the pre flop raiser. Therefore, the plan fell apart. Given the bet and raise on the flop I no longer felt that my 2 pair was good. On the turn I was faced with calling 2 bets cold (pot 7bb) with no guarentee that the other player won't 3 bet. I have 6 outs to make a full house but believe that at least one of the players has an ace and so likely 5 outs to improve. Therfore I do think that I can fold the turn.

[Pancake407 0]

You have a strong but vulnerable hand here, you definately need to get aggressive on this flop. The hand in SSHE is with an overpair, I believe KK, and their was an EP bet, with a bunch of callers I think, so raising is only bloating the pot. I'm not sure if thats how the hand went, but thats how I recall it. This is a completely different situation, You have 2 pair, with a VERY draw heavy board. Not to mention, this is a 5 handed game, this is a monster 5-handed, make the field pay as much as you can to draw out on you. Flop aggression would have changed the turn action, you could have at least showed down the second best hand.

[Actuary 3]

Given the bet and raise on the flop I no longer felt that my 2 pair was good.

it usually is.