Bobby Bring-in 0 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Full Tilt PokerLimit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $3/$69 playersConverterPre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with 4 folds, MP3 calls, CO folds, Hero calls, SB calls, BB checks.Flop: :D (4SB, 4 players)SB checks, BB bets, MP3 calls, Hero raises, SB folds, BB 3-bets, MP3 calls, Hero Caps, BB calls, MP3 calls.Turn: (8BB, 3 players)BB checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP3 raises, Hero calls, BB calls.River: (14BB, 3 players)BB bets, MP3 raises, Hero folds, BB 3-bets, MP3 calls.Results:Final pot: 20BBI feel like it could have been played better/differently but i'm not sure exactly where. Suggestions??? MP3 was limping with all sorts of stuff (good and bad) but the blinds were calling everything. Which is why i did not raise PF to isolate as it wouldn't have worked and i'd have a bloated pot with QJo, which may already be behind MP3. I did not really want that. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I probably fold preflop.Other than that, it's good.- Zach Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I don't see any clear mistakes.We can discuss:- Raising turn?- Calling river?I'm not sure anything else is debateable, given the blinds were calling everything preflop. Link to post Share on other sites
Pancake407 0 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I think I call that river. I have no reasons to justify it though. I'd like to see some more input on this from the others, I hate these situations. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I think I call that river. I have no reasons to justify it though. I'd like to see some more input on this from the others, I hate these situations.put the others on a range.At best you're getting 9:1 to overcall here. Link to post Share on other sites
Bobby Bring-in 0 Posted March 16, 2006 Author Share Posted March 16, 2006 It was hard to fold preflop because MP3 was limping with everything...i saw a couple 97o's a 35s and also good hands as stated. Seeing all this strange play made last night's session a hard one on me. I believe i tried to change my play to match the table's...to a point that had me outside my own game and i ended up having to quit based on the -30bbs/session rule. My normal stats run a 18%/10%/2.4 and i know i was playing way more hands than that and limping alot more, puttin myself in murky waters far too often.Anyway, in this particular hand the BB showed 22 and MP3 showed AK and i was murdered from both sides. Link to post Share on other sites
tylerc 0 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 i think you played it fine. who the hell folds preflop here on the button with qj off? seems awfully tight to me. i would probably have raised knowing that the other players are so loose, but i think calling is fine as well. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 i think you played it fine. who the hell folds preflop here on the button with qj off? seems awfully tight to me. i would probably have raised knowing that the other players are so loose, but i think calling is fine as well.Uh.. it's QJo... it's quite a weak hand.- Zach Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Uh.. it's QJo... it's quite a weak hand.- Zachdon't fold preflopyou're too good post flop to fold this in a passive game, when you *know* the blinds aren't going to raise. Link to post Share on other sites
tylerc 0 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 not against someone that plays everything. youre most likely ahead and want to play as many hands as possible against people like this. Link to post Share on other sites
rog 0 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I probably fold preflop. swOther than that, it's good.- ZachFYPBroadway connectors on the button in a limped pot, and most likely 4-handed? You fold here? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 If you can find a 3/6 table passive enough, then ok. Most 3/6 tables are too aggressive, IMO. This may be a good opportunity to play it though, if we know the blinds won't raise.- Zach Link to post Share on other sites
tylerc 0 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 If you can find a 3/6 table passive enough, then ok. Most 3/6 tables are too aggressive, IMO. This may be a good opportunity to play it though, if we know the blinds won't raise.- Zachjesus christ, what site are you playing on? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 jesus christ, what site are you playing on?Party, but I'll back away because I've only got 4500 hands logged at 3/6, therefore not enough experience to truly comment on the tables, and it's been a while since I've played 3/6, and I could be very wrong.- ZachFWIW, my VP$IP with QJo is about 50% over 30K hands, so I don't always fold. I've been tightening up a lot more lately though, as the tables are tighter too, and this includes .5/1 which is noteably looser, and that way QJo can be more profitable. 42% in 19K hands when I use just 2/4 and up (14K at 2/4, 4500 at 3/6, and 600 hands at 5/10). Link to post Share on other sites
tylerc 0 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 how do you filter by stakes? i cant find it in the filter popup. im a little drunk right now so excuse me if this is a stupid question. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 how do you filter by stakes? i cant find it in the filter popup. im a little drunk right now so excuse me if this is a stupid question.Go to the preferences tab, in the same area that you would find "general info", "session notes", "game notes", etc... Link to post Share on other sites
tylerc 0 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 ok so i dont know if this is very useful but i have about 15k hands 4 tabling 3/6 from about 5 months ago, and im at about .19 bb/hand with QJo in late position. that being said i have 59 vp$ip, when im not in late position it drops to about 31. take that for what its worth, but i would always play this hand in late postion if its unraised and if im the first in or have the chance to go hu against a weak player im going to raise it up myself. this probably isnt enough hands to analyse something like this but thats all ive got. ive got about 50k in stats for 2/4 about seven months ago when i was 8 tabling and it actually drops down to .06 bb/hand with about the same vp$ip. these stats are pobably less useful because i wasnt paying any attention to the players involved. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 I changed my mind.I'm limping this from LP in an unraised pot quite often.I'm not sure what I was thinking. I'm probably not raising it though, unless I'm first in, in MP3 or later.- ZachBTW - I get 0.18 bb/hand at 2/4, 3/6, 5/10, 19K hands total, 182 instances of QJo Link to post Share on other sites
tylerc 0 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 sweet, i changed someones mind in my first day of serious posting. i guess i can quit now and slip off into forum oblivion. on another note if anyone is paying attention over a long period of time, folding hands like this will give you a serious rock label, and the tags might start making more moves on you. this isnt something to really worry about at 3/6 but its still something to think about when playing against the more observant opponents over long periods of time. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 sweet, i changed someones mind in my first day of serious posting. i guess i can quit now and slip off into forum oblivion. on another note if anyone is paying attention over a long period of time, folding hands like this will give you a serious rock label, and the tags might start making more moves on you. this isnt something to really worry about at 3/6 but its still something to think about when playing against the more observant opponents over long periods of time.I'm not sure what I was talking about up there. I will usually play this hand in LP... I'm a bit rusty, haven't been playing much lately.Btw, stick around. The more the merrier on here. Keep me busy on boring days... lol- Zach Link to post Share on other sites
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