jackoffsuit 0 Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 In your opinion do you think its alright for Christians to drink. even a little?What are your thoughts? I would like to hear what Daniel thinks about this since I have heard he is a Christian.Here are some links that say its wrong.jesusisthelight.net/BROTHERS.htmwww.biblebb.com/files/macqa/70-9-3.htmwww.layhands.com/CanChristiansDrinkAlcohol.htm Link to post Share on other sites
ShakeZuma 585 Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 I'm not even a Christian and I can answer this one in that anything in excess is a sin. Alcohol isn't a sin (Jesus drank it, that lush) but drinking it in excess, ie getting drunk is a sin.Anybody else? Link to post Share on other sites
Mattnxtc 0 Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 I'm not even a Christian and I can answer this one in that anything in excess is a sin. Alcohol isn't a sin (Jesus drank it, that lush) but drinking it in excess, ie getting drunk is a sin.Anybody else?well done shakezuma Link to post Share on other sites
JBradburn6 0 Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 If I'm blacked out it doesn't count. Link to post Share on other sites
ShakeZuma 585 Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 well done shakezumaIn my best Quagmire voice... Aaaalright Link to post Share on other sites
Mattnxtc 0 Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 In my best Quagmire voice... Aaaalrightgiggity giggity giggity goo Link to post Share on other sites
nopunk 0 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Shake is right. The Irish-Catholic in me wants to a definition of excess though.I like to say if I'm alive then it wasn't too much. Link to post Share on other sites
Filesharer 0 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Beer is there to be drunk. It would be a sin not to. Link to post Share on other sites
DanielNegreanu 141 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Becoming an alcoholic is a sin just like becoming a fat pig through over eating is a sin. There is NO evidence in the Bible that drinking alcohol is a sin. In fact, quite the opposite is true. There are several passages that mention drinking wine. Link to post Share on other sites
nell789 0 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I forget which book it's in, I think Galatians, but it says in the Bible that the reason why getting drunk is wrong is that it lowers your inhibitions. Inhibitions are basically that little voice in the back of your head telling you what's right and wrong (or your conscience). So when you're drunk you do bad things (pre-marital sex, cuss, etc) because your inhibitions are lowered.From this I take that just getting drunk isn't necessarily wrong, it's just the things that you do while you're drunk that are the problem. So the key is to just drink in moderation so that you're always in control.or at least that's how I rationalize it. Link to post Share on other sites
Oziumrules 0 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Jesus turned water into wine..... Link to post Share on other sites
Steve D 0 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Daniel,I must state that being an "alcoholic" is not a sin in itself as this is a very real disease that the person has no control of their own over - and 99.9 % of the time must receive help in order to recover. The sin with drinking is in the excess in getting drunk whether you are an alcoholic or not.If you drink and get drunk - then that is the sin many people feel is pointed out in the bible. There are many alcoholics in recovery that had not had a drink in many years. They are still an alcoholic in soberiety.A great verse states , "do not get drunk on wine but get drunk on the Holy Spirit". I do not have actually where that verse comes from handy as I am at work... so maybe a fellow reader/poster can state exactly what verse that is from.Point of my post was to mention that being and alcoholic in itself is not the sin. It is a disease. The sin is in the excess whether you are an alcoholic or not.Steve D Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 I'd like to add that it says nothing in the Bible about which wine to drink with which meat/fish, so when those snotty little bistro bastards start in on you for ordering Merlot, quote some Bible verse for them, just like Jules Winfield does in Pulp Fiction. Link to post Share on other sites
ShakeZuma 585 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 I'd like to add that it says nothing in the Bible about which wine to drink with which meat/fish, so when those snotty little bistro bastards start in on you for ordering Merlot, quote some Bible verse for them, just like Jules Winfield does in Pulp Fiction.Actually, Psalms 6:13 says "Thou shalt have'st a peppery Zinfandel with thou's fish, but thou stickest to Cabernet when thou eateth spicy foods"look it up. Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 I never could cut it in Bible Studies...Heck, no one even laughed or clapped when I was in the church plays...It's been a sad, sad life.On an up note, anyone know a brand name for a decent quality peppery Zinfandel around 15$? Link to post Share on other sites
tsimon 0 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 ..... just like becoming a fat pig through over eating .....How Christian of you. Link to post Share on other sites
ShakeZuma 585 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 Becoming an alcoholic is a sin just like becoming a fat pig through over eating is a sin. There is NO evidence in the Bible that drinking alcohol is a sin. In fact, quite the opposite is true. There are several passages that mention drinking wine.How Christian of you. Wow, metaphor's are against Christianity?You guys have a lot of rules. Link to post Share on other sites
gobears 0 Posted March 17, 2006 Share Posted March 17, 2006 On an up note, anyone know a brand name for a decent quality peppery Zinfandel around 15$?Ravenswood has a good one - and you can find it at everywhere for around $7. Link to post Share on other sites
herokid7 0 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Here's kind of a new spin on it. I think anytime you become addicted to something, you're sinning. By addicted, I mean you couldn't put whatever it is down and not leave it behind for good and be happy. This applies with all things, drinking, gambling, cigarettes, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
Mattnxtc 0 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Here's kind of a new spin on it. I think anytime you become addicted to something, you're sinning. By addicted, I mean you couldn't put whatever it is down and not leave it behind for good and be happy. This applies with all things, drinking, gambling, cigarettes, etc.I would agree with you on this. I think a great test for people is to just quit something for a week and see what happens...see just how much you really need those things Link to post Share on other sites
HtotheNootch 0 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 Did Jesus ever say anything against alcohol?Also, according to the Bible, he turned water into wine at the wedding feast.If you want to go back further, there's the Jewish festival of Purim where traditonally you are encouraged to drink and gamble.PURIM EVERYDAY!!!!!(BTW, I might have transliterated Purim wrongly) Link to post Share on other sites
Wingmaster05 0 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 St. patrick's day, bad day to ask this question. Link to post Share on other sites
cu in 4years Dan 1 Posted March 18, 2006 Share Posted March 18, 2006 i personally drink and think it is ok on a certain level.it is ok to drink, it says in the bible that jesus even drank and invited a child into a hut with him and a friend to celebrate gods glory.but it is not ok when you drink so much to the level that you are not in control of what you are doing. if you are not in control of what you are doing then you might do something that might discrace you and/or God.My cousins "christian" boyfriend drinks hiumself stupid and makes a total *** of himself which is just not cool Link to post Share on other sites
Loismustdie 0 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 I'm not even a Christian and I can answer this one in that anything in excess is a sin. Alcohol isn't a sin (Jesus drank it, that lush) but drinking it in excess, ie getting drunk is a sin.Anybody else? We serve God with our minds- alcohol effects our thinking. The scriptures where he talks of it, it's negative, with a stern warning against drunkedness. So, if you have two drinks and catch a buzz, it's affecting your mind, right? And to some extent you are drunk, right? If you have one drink nothing happens- so, might as well drink something else. It's also a question of appropriate use of your time. Why not be studying your Bible instead of doing Jagrbombers?Actually, Psalms 6:13 says "Thou shalt have'st a peppery Zinfandel with thou's fish, but thou stickest to Cabernet when thou eateth spicy foods"look it up. Riesling goes better with spicy foods, or a Fume Blanc. A Pinot Grigio even. Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Daniel,I must state that being an "alcoholic" is not a sin in itself as this is a very real disease that the person has no control of their own over - and 99.9 % of the time must receive help in order to recover. The sin with drinking is in the excess in getting drunk whether you are an alcoholic or not.If you drink and get drunk - then that is the sin many people feel is pointed out in the bible. There are many alcoholics in recovery that had not had a drink in many years. They are still an alcoholic in soberiety.A great verse states , "do not get drunk on wine but get drunk on the Holy Spirit". I do not have actually where that verse comes from handy as I am at work... so maybe a fellow reader/poster can state exactly what verse that is from.Point of my post was to mention that being and alcoholic in itself is not the sin. It is a disease. The sin is in the excess whether you are an alcoholic or not.Steve DI've always had a few problems with this statement.I think it is more accurate to call alcoholism a "self-inflicted mental disorder."Doctors/advocates seem to like to call this a disease (although many doctors do not prescribe to this) because alcoholics can't "help" it. But "comparable" disorders (Schizophrenia, dementia, etc.), while they can have roots in unhealthy living, in fact are not self-inflicted. Alcoholism and other addictions are. I really dont' think it's fair to put someone sufferring from Alzheimers or from bone cancer in the same category as an alcoholic.I've also heard it said "Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic." If we accept this as true, you are not sinning b/c you "are" one. You are sinning, however, if you act upon it. I tend to view homosexuality in about the same terms. You are not innocent if you act upon it, as if for instance you are deranged due to Alzheimers and you hit someone with a car. For as far as "diseases" go, you caused it, you can get help, and you are responsible for those actions. Link to post Share on other sites
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