1/2 Aa Bb

[Actuary 3]

I fought for the pot and then did not value bet river.Am I saving pots and bets, properly, here?SB: 15 hands, 0/0 so farButton 50% VPIP 20 hands, no pfrtables TP so far for 6 Max, especiallyParty Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxPreflop: Actuary is BB with A , A . 3 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Actuary raises, Button calls, SB calls.Flop: (6 SB) Q , 9 , 6 (3 players)SB bets, Actuary raises, Button calls, SB 3-bets, Actuary calls, Button calls.Turn: (7.50 BB) T (3 players)SB bets, Actuary raises, Button folds, SB calls.River: (11.50 BB) 5 (2 players)SB checks, Actuary checks.Final Pot: 11.50 BBWas I ahead 2/3 here?*************My Alter Ego:let me answer that.if SB has a set of 9's, wouldn't she 3-bet the turn and lead river, to ensure 4 BB's get in? Now she'd have to c/r to eek out 4 BB's max.Mewhy do I see monsters under the bed.My Alter Ego:when you don't cap the flop, you leave yourself less defined, and hence SB leads into you again with a lot less than a set hereActuary, if your read was "so strong" that you didn't bet the river, why raise the turn?Me:well, sometimes she has two pair, and I have outs to win, and once in awhile I'm ahead... and Button is drawing to 5 outs.My Alter Ego:you're a mess. Just cap flop next time if you can't play these turn raises/rivers bets properlyMe:sometimes she has two pair and checks river, thinking I hit a set of 10'sMy Alter Ego:bye, I'm out of here.....Mebut..but....ok.... sohow bout the flop and turn ?Anyone?

[Zach6668 513]

I think you have to bet the river.- Zach

[Actuary 3]

how bout the flop and turn ?

[aim786 0]

I'd cap the flop. The way you played it though, I would bet this river.

[Verdimme 0]

Cap that flop. If he leads the turn, call down.What would you do if he 3-bets you on the turn?As played im definately betting the river.

[Actuary 3]

I did not cap flop, in order to better protect my hand on the turn vs Button, and get an extra 1/2 BB out of SB.This logic may be silly with AA and a not so coordinated flop.I think I've lost many pots lately not protecting my hand, and so that was my goal here. But with AA my equity is so strong on the flop.Unless I fear monsters. darn slumps.I know the river is a bet once SB slows down.I call down if SB 3-bets turn, btw

[screech 0]

I did not cap flop, in order to better protect my hand on the turn vs Button, and get an extra 1/2 BB out of SB.This logic may be silly with AA and a not so coordinated flop.I think I've lost many pots lately not protecting my hand, and so that was my goal here. But with AA my equity is so strong on the flop.Unless I fear monsters. darn slumps.I know the river is a bet once SB slows down.I call down if SB 3-bets turn, btw

The logic is not silly at all. I think I'd rather cap though for a few reasons.If you cap, and bet the turn, Button isn't really getting 10:1 to hit his gutshot, because you ****ed him over on the flop with your cap. You made a ton of extra equity there, even if it gives him the odds to call on the next street. There is another prinicipal at work here too, especially if he has a 5 out draw with a pair. Since this guy is apparently loose, he may call the river for 1 bet if he has any pair. This kills the odds he's actually getting to chase his 5 outter because those odds usually rely on him to fold the river. Same goes for a gutshot when he picks up a pair on the river. So I'd cap the flop here to take advantage of immediate equity, and to make the hand easier to play. If button was a good player who was capable of folding something like 2nd or 3rd pair on the river for 1 bet, just go ahead and play it the way you did.Also, calling a turn 3-bet is questionable. You should do it only if you plan on folding the river UI.

[Actuary 3]

Also, calling a turn 3-bet is questionable. You should do it only if you plan on folding the river UI.

yeah. I agree. Results bias.I want to work on my raise/folds to get more value; but when I see so much silly manical bluffing, I don't follow through.Maybe I do fold this to a 3-bet in actual play. I've shown an ability to fold lately.River check sux balls, yes?

[Abbaddabba 0]

I think I've lost many pots lately not protecting my hand

If you're getting close to the same amount of value, you really shouldnt care. The difference between capping the flop and betting versus calling and raising the turn is a half bet if you manage to pull it off successfully (doesnt apply when the villain checks the turn).

[Zach6668 513]

Screech,If we call a turn 3-bet, the pot will be getting 12.5-1 to call. If we are behind, do we have enough outs to call here? I could see us having from 0 to 8 outs when we are behind. I guess if we pokerstoved this up and got an equity, or did some work to find his range, so we could approximate our outs better, we could decide if we have enough to call here.I think I've ****ed up my own point, but say we aren't getting enough to call based on our outs, and we do call, isn't that like saying that we think we may have the best hand, and we should call a river bet, getting 14.5-1? Is TPTK played aggressively like this in 6-max enough to call down? I'm not a 6-maxer (yet).- Zach

[screech 0]

Screech,If we call a turn 3-bet, the pot will be getting 12.5-1 to call. If we are behind, do we have enough outs to call here? I could see us having from 0 to 8 outs when we are behind. I guess if we pokerstoved this up and got an equity, or did some work to find his range, so we could approximate our outs better, we could decide if we have enough to call here.I think I've ****ed up my own point, but say we aren't getting enough to call based on our outs, and we do call, isn't that like saying that we think we may have the best hand, and we should call a river bet, getting 14.5-1? Is TPTK played aggressively like this in 6-max enough to call down? I'm not a 6-maxer (yet).- Zach

The reason we can call the turn is because we have enough outs against 2 pair or better. That being said, it all comes down to knowing your opponent. If he would 3-bet the turn OOP with a pair+draw, then it is best to call him down on this board.Some players won't 3-bet a weak 2 pair, against them it is obviously best to fold. The majority of players will mindlessly 3-bet any 2 pair here, but won't 3-bet pair+draw combinations. That's why the river is usually a safe fold.

[Pancake407 0]

If we cap the flop, and we still get lead into on the turn, whats the play? Raise/fold? or call down?

[Absolute 0]

If I get AA at a party 1/2 6max table, i just close my eyes and continue to click the bet/raise button.