Moneyball16 0 Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 PokerStars 0.10/0.20 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cxNo ReadsPreflop: Hero is MP3 with A:diamond:, Q:diamond:. UTG raises, 4 folds, Hero calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 2 folds.3-bet?Flop: (7.50 SB) 8:spade:, 2:heart:, A:spade: (3 players)UTG bets, Hero raises, Button folds, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls.Call good?Turn: (6.75 BB) T:spade: (2 players)UTG checks, Hero checks.Bet?River: (6.75 BB) 5:diamond: (2 players)UTG bets, Hero calls.Raise?Final Pot: 8.75 BB Link to post Share on other sites
devilsslide 0 Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I'm somewhat new to this whole advice/strategy thing, so tend to give more credit to some of the other posters. That being said:Preflop: I'd definitely three bet with AQs here, especially at this limit. It might change the rest of the hand.As is:Flop: Raise is good. I might cap it.Turn: I think I bet. Link to post Share on other sites
Pancake407 0 Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 3-bet preflop, it would change how the hand plays out.As played:Cap the flop.Bet/call turn.Call river. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 why do we want to 3-bet an UTG raise HU? Link to post Share on other sites
Pancake407 0 Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I do it, because the only hands that dominate us is QQ,KK,AA,AK - He will cap AA-KK and usually cap with QQ, then we can fold the hand pretty easily later on. AK - we will take the pot if he misses most of the time. With the A on the flop, we may be dominated and lose, but I dont think it costs us anymore by 3-betting PF, because he may play his hand a lot more passive given the aggression we've shown. I almost religiously 3-bet AQ, unless its a real tight raiser. Keep in mind, that im the donkey that just lurks usually dont flame me too bad Link to post Share on other sites
Verdimme 0 Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Nahh no 3bet preflop. We got suited broadway. We want multiway action here, and we sure dont want to isolate an EP raiser with just AQ suited.Flop is ok.Turn, cool.River, also fine. Don't raise. Highly unlikely he has a worse hand and will call.You are lookin at AK/AQ alot here. Maybe AJ, and you dont want to lose him anywhere in the hand. Either you have him crushed or you got him crushed. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I would 3-bet preflop if:- it was still HU and UTG is a loosey goosey and poor post flop player- there were already 4 in the pot- I was button and it's still HUIn this case, I'd rather encourage a few more behind me.Had I expected it to be 3-way, a raise would be fine, but I'd rather risk it and just smooth call.Being that we are MP3 and it's still HU, much depends on my read of raiser.- tight raiser - solid post flop, I could fold- loose raiser - weak post flop, I 3-bet- ave raiser, loose table behind me, easy callkinda variesSay we are HU and he caps, an this flop comes.What will you do to make your preflop 3-bet payoff in terms of info?pancake, I'm a newb at this, so this is just my thoughts. A lot of others differ. From fold to always 3-bet, you'll see. AQ gets a lot of opinions. Link to post Share on other sites
Pancake407 0 Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I guess its pretty player dependent how to play the hand. I need to start considering my opponents before doing some of the things I do I guess, I pretty much play preflop like a robot, and I really need to stop.Actuary, how are you a newb? I get most of my advice from you, lol. You are by far one of the most respected posters here, especially for micro. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I've only played for 8 months.I'm prolific on the forums and that has translated to respect!Not sure it should but thank you for the kind words.never being afraid to give a dumb opinion and not reading others' replies before doing so, has helped a lot. Link to post Share on other sites
Pancake407 0 Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 ill try to start doing that more. ive been playing a little over a year, and i still dont know as much as you, lurking isnt as knowledgable as posting I guess. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Actuary has only played for 8 months?! I thought it was Daniel Negreanu's 2/4 playin' alter-ego!I've only played (aka attempted to learn) for like 5 months, so we are all new.I probably 3-bet preflop. But then I get in trouble and don't know what to do when he 3-bets this flop.Ugh... I want to see more replies on this.AQ is hard to play sometimes.I want stats on the villain too.- Zach Link to post Share on other sites
doubleatrain 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 I would 3-bet preflop if:- it was still HU and UTG is a loosey goosey and poor post flop player- there were already 4 in the pot- I was button and it's still HUIn this case, I'd rather encourage a few more behind me.Had I expected it to be 3-way, a raise would be fine, but I'd rather risk it and just smooth call.I'm not clear on why you would raise if you were the button and it was still HU but not here. Isn't that essentially raising because of superior position and to isolate? That just seems like why the OP raised here, too. I guess I just don't see the difference.If you're successful in isolating, you'll have good position whether you raise from MP3 or the button, but if people cold call (thus negating the positional advantage) you're more likely to get a big multi-way pot. It just seems like either way it's a desired result.Being that we are MP3 and it's still HU, much depends on my read of raiser.- tight raiser - solid post flop, I could fold- loose raiser - weak post flop, I 3-bet- ave raiser, loose table behind me, easy callI absolutely agree with this portion and I like the distinction between the players post flop abilities, not just preflop looseness. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 I'm not clear on why you would raise if you were the button and it was still HU but not here. Isn't that essentially raising because of superior position and to isolate? That just seems like why the OP raised here, too. I guess I just don't see the difference.I think here I have more hope of a multiway pot, and less assurance of position. I think the decsions with AQs are more dependent on the pf-raiser than anything else. It's borderlin for me and I just drew the line at, i'll 3 bet from Button if HU.I'm not emphatic about this Link to post Share on other sites
doubleatrain 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 I think here I have more hope of a multiway pot, and less assurance of position. I think the decsions with AQs are more dependent on the pf-raiser than anything else. It's borderlin for me and I just drew the line at, i'll 3 bet from Button if HU.I'm not emphatic about thisOkay, I was just curious. Sorry if my prior post came off as fightin' words, I certainly am not emphatic about this either, I was just looking to hear your thoughts. Link to post Share on other sites
RISEorFall 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 why not bet the turn? Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 why not bet the turn?because we aren't ahead often enough, and a c/r looks very possible?but then again, he could have AJ and be afraid of the flushI would bet this a lot on turn if I can fold to a c/r Link to post Share on other sites
RISEorFall 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 his 3-bet on the flop doesnt mean an A. I've seen people do this with as little as QJ, i guess hoping youre bluffing at the A and they can steal it or something.it doesn't mean he doesnt have an A either, but the only hand we're really worried about is AKI think it's an easy bet on the turn Link to post Share on other sites
Pancake407 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 I think it's an easy bet on the turnI agree. I bet/call this turn like its my job. Maybe im a fishy Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 I agree. I bet/call this turn like its my job. Maybe im a fishy imo, it's an easy bet, but not a b/c.So I wait and collect on the river, safely. Link to post Share on other sites
psujohn 0 Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 I'm with actuary on the pre-flop. In this particular case I most likely call. At 1/2 with a table full of rocks I'll 3-bet or fold depending on the read on the PFR.I bet this turn. If villain check/raises I hate the fact that I bet the turn. But I likely call and then call the river. If villain calls and checks to me on the river I likely take the free showdown. It's what I do but I'm not sure I can justify it. I think if we're not going to value bet a non-spade river we're better off checking behind on the turn and calling on the river.To sum it all up I think OP played it better than I likely would. Link to post Share on other sites
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