aucu 3 Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Great thread, just read it and played my first $22-180Made the FT got into good position then there was this hand.Will be playing more of these PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t2000 (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)CO (t18826)Button (t20994)SB (t39029)Hero (t35266)UTG (t97595)MP1 (t23850)MP2 (t34440)Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K. 2 folds, MP2 calls t2000, 2 folds, SB raises to t8000, Hero raises to t35166, MP2 folds, SB calls t27166.Flop: (t72832) Q, 2, 4(2 players)Turn: (t72832) 5(2 players)River: (t72832) J(2 players)Final Pot: t72832Results in white below: SB has Js Jd (three of a kind, jacks). Hero has Ks Kd (one pair, kings). Outcome: SB wins t72832. Link to post Share on other sites
caribstv 0 Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 What sites?? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted September 28, 2006 Share Posted September 28, 2006 What sites??uh.... Pokerstars.... Link to post Share on other sites
therrinn 0 Posted September 30, 2006 Author Share Posted September 30, 2006 What sites??POTY Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 POTYQTF. Link to post Share on other sites
ROGUE06 0 Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 Haven't really been playing much at all lately. Got 3rd last week in one. Very depressing having 115k of the 270k left in play 3-handed and still busting 3rd. I was basically guranteed heads up which would have been $720 but got screwed pretty bad. I was soo card dead and flop dead. The villian that ended up overtaking my chip lead would raise everytime I called or raised. I could never trap this guy once since I never had even a decent hand to call him down with. Got pushed down to 35k at my lowest point and got it all in with AJ vs A8. Sure enough he hits two 8's. Also didn't help that the chipleader almost busted the other SS but the SS sucked out a 3 outer on the river. That's my rant. Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisRichey 1 Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 Bad beat forum is down the street. You guys need to stop posting crap in this thread, it is far too valuable for this ****. STOP. Link to post Share on other sites
bigbadbeat 0 Posted October 24, 2006 Share Posted October 24, 2006 really helpful post, thanks for the knowledge.....Only recently got into the 180's, but a win in the $4 let me take a shot, okay, okay, two shots at a $20 tournament and voila....a win....verrry helpful to the bankroll.....still gonna stay with the $4's, however, cause one win does not a kingdom make. Thanks for the help. Link to post Share on other sites
dtblizz 0 Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 Hey all,Long time lurker, but just wanted to add my success story as a result of this strategy guide.It got me all jazzed up to redeposit on stars and I just won the $10-180 sng. First game after depositing. weeee. Link to post Share on other sites
Fade2241 0 Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 It has helped me out too. I originally read this months ago and it's improved my game in these big time. TY therrinn Link to post Share on other sites
BeaverStyle 1 Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 A little extra observation on my part:Big stacks (like, reallllly big stacks) that are raising constantly are great targets for stop-n-goes. Obviously do it w/ some sort of draw or a made pair... Last $4.40 i played, ITM, 2 tables left, I call a min raise from a guy w/ like 65k, blinds 300/600, I have about 5000 after the call, flop come 8s9xAs, i open push w/ Q 10, he calls w/ 6 2 spades.He hit the spade, but honestly, it's not hard to get your money in good as long as you pay attention to who's raising hands w/ garbage, and still calling w/ crappy draws. Link to post Share on other sites
sockrolid 3 6 0hhhh 0 Posted November 13, 2006 Share Posted November 13, 2006 A little extra observation on my part:Big stacks (like, reallllly big stacks) that are raising constantly are great targets for stop-n-goes. Obviously do it w/ some sort of draw or a made pair... Last $4.40 i played, ITM, 2 tables left, I call a min raise from a guy w/ like 65k, blinds 300/600, I have about 5000 after the call, flop come 8s9xAs, i open push w/ Q 10, he calls w/ 6 2 spades.He hit the spade, but honestly, it's not hard to get your money in good as long as you pay attention to who's raising hands w/ garbage, and still calling w/ crappy draws.Sorry if this is a really dumb question but what exactly is a stop and go play I've heard it mentioned many times but was never sure exactly what that meant. Link to post Share on other sites
Fade2241 0 Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 Sorry if this is a really dumb question but what exactly is a stop and go play I've heard it mentioned many times but was never sure exactly what that meant.Just call the raise preflop and go all in on any flop. It's a tactic I enjoy using at these final tables. Link to post Share on other sites
therrinn 0 Posted December 3, 2006 Author Share Posted December 3, 2006 Just call the raise preflop and go all in on any flop. It's a tactic I enjoy using at these final tables.To give this a little context, its generally used when you are a short stack facing a raise from a bigger stack, and your hand has some value. For example, say that you have just under 10k, villain has 40k, blinds of 600/1200. villain raises it to 3600 from MP, and you wake up with pocket 6s in the bb. Rather than fold or jam preflop, a stop-and-go would be to just call the preflop raise and then jam whatever flop comes out. The reasoning is that you don't have enough behind to make a hand like AJ fold to your all-in - most players would (correctly) call your jam. If you wait until the flop, the 2/3 of the time that they don't flop a pair, they might lay it down and you'll have won a sizable pot, letting your opponent see only 3 instead of 5 cards. If he happens to have an overpair or hit the flop, oh well, not much that you can do. One of the tricky things with stop and gos is that you can get in trouble against a steal. Say someone raises from LP with 79suited. Here, a preflop all-in could possibly get them to fold, whereas they might call if they catch a piece of the flop. That's the basic jist of it - it is a very situation play, and you definitely don't want to overdo it, but it can be a very effective weapon to add to your arsenal. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 One of the tricky things with stop and gos is that you can get in trouble against a steal. Say someone raises from LP with 79suited. Here, a preflop all-in could possibly get them to fold, whereas they might call if they catch a piece of the flop.Good point. What that also says is if youre going to stop and go and youre unsure whether the raiser might be stealing, you probably need a bit better than 66..more like 88, which greatly reduces the chances of the stealer accidentally hitting an overpair.55 is the bottom pair I would SnG with, 22-44 are too subject to counterfeiting or overcards hitting an Ax. Also if youre stack after the raise is only half the pot, just push preflop. Two overs have an auto-call to a middle card flop getting 3:1 odds, so you may as well put them to the test preflop. Link to post Share on other sites
Jam-Fly 8 Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 There is a tactic I like to use in the 1st hr. It's better to have a little cushion, so if you get your chips up to 2k, this play works fine. It involves taking alot of flops in LP. It's more of a post flop play tho, so, as in the example, if u ever happen to find urself playing a mediocre hand, u can apply it . Its all about the implied odds of the situation. It revolves around people willing to go so broke with TP/BK. For example:PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)MP1 (t1520)MP2 (t780)MP3 (t1530)CO (t1250)Button (t1430)Hero (t1520)BB (t4110)UTG (t2120)UTG+1 (t1500)Preflop: Hero is SB with J, 7. 2 folds, MP1 calls t20, 2 folds, CO calls t20, Button raises to t40, Hero calls t30, BB calls t20, MP1 calls t20, CO calls t20.Flop: (t200) 6, A, 7(5 players)Hero checks, BB checks, MP1 bets t20, CO calls t20, Button folds, Hero calls t20, BB folds.Turn: (t260) 4(3 players)Hero checks, MP1 bets t80, CO calls t80, Hero calls t80.River: (t500) 7(3 players)Hero bets t1380 (All-In), MP1 calls t1380 (All-In), CO folds.Final Pot: t3260Main Pot: t3260 (t3260), between MP1 and Hero. > Pot won by Hero (t3260).Results in white below: Hero has Jc 7c (three of a kind, sevens). MP1 has Ah Tc (two pair, aces and sevens). Outcome: Hero wins t3260. This hand shows me calling small bets with one pair, presuming my opp has an ace. Then at the end, if I hit, I win ALL his chips. This hand is from a $4.40 I was goofing around in, but the reasoning behind it seems reasonable. Of course, the second it seems as tho they have a hand better than one pair, I'm gone. It also works if you flop ur hand, alot of players will call you with a draw, one pair, or sum chit like AJ (how cant it be good on a 448 board ?)Thoughts are appreciated. I know this can get you into alot of trouble if they have a great hand, but in these donkfests, I'm pretty willing to go broke with two pair coz the amt of times u'll be ahead more than compensates Link to post Share on other sites
Hoop Addict 0 Posted December 21, 2006 Share Posted December 21, 2006 Gents,Read through this thread yesterday, played 2 X $4 180s on PS last night for one 2nd place & one 47th place.Previously, my strategy in the first hour has been very similar to what was posted, but my 1-2 & 2-3 hour play has been a bit inconsistent & messed up. I've often placed in the 15-40 bracket (including being bubble boy on my last attempt at a $10).My previous best finish had been 7th. So thanks for the helpful hints, I've printed them out & I think they'll serve as a very handy reference/reminder for my actions.Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisRichey 1 Posted December 21, 2006 Share Posted December 21, 2006 Gents,Read through this thread yesterday, played 2 X $4 180s on PS last night for one 2nd place & one 47th place.Previously, my strategy in the first hour has been very similar to what was posted, but my 1-2 & 2-3 hour play has been a bit inconsistent & messed up. I've often placed in the 15-40 bracket (including being bubble boy on my last attempt at a $10).My previous best finish had been 7th. So thanks for the helpful hints, I've printed them out & I think they'll serve as a very handy reference/reminder for my actions.Cheers.Congrats! You'll love the $22's, the play is a little better and the bigger cashes really boost the roll. Link to post Share on other sites
Hoop Addict 0 Posted December 21, 2006 Share Posted December 21, 2006 Congrats! You'll love the $22's, the play is a little better and the bigger cashes really boost the roll.Cheers - I think I'm probably a semi-major cash at the $4 or $10 level away from testing the waters in the $22. I'm very conservative with my BR. Have started to have a bit of success at the low limit PLHE games recently as well, so if that continues, it may entice me to play a $22 or two. Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisRichey 1 Posted December 22, 2006 Share Posted December 22, 2006 Hope you have some luck when you take your shots, and don't forget to post hands! Link to post Share on other sites
The Czar 0 Posted December 27, 2006 Share Posted December 27, 2006 Is this a hand I want to draw on considering the larger stack reraised all-in. I knew he likely had 2 pair or trips, but if I spike a club, I'm chip leader. Looking for some advice. In retrospect, I'm thinking I could have folded, but folding the nut draw isn't as easy as it sounds. I did consider if the board paired I was drawing dead, but I couldn't help but think about the chiplead.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)Hero (t3480)BB (t1320)UTG (t2438)UTG+1 (t3567)MP1 (t2520)MP2 (t5900)CO (t652)Button (t4175)Preflop: Hero is SB with A, J. 3 folds, MP2 raises to t150, 2 folds, Hero calls t125, BB calls t100.Flop: (t450) 6, 8, 4(3 players)Hero checks, BB checks, MP2 bets t250, Hero calls t250, BB raises to t1170, MP2 raises to t5750, Hero calls t3080 (All-In).Turn: (t10700) J(3 players, 1 all-in)River: (t10700) 5(3 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: t10700 Link to post Share on other sites
BeaverStyle 1 Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 I'd fold in that hand, czar. Reason being, it's relatively easy in the first hour to get a big pot going where you are pretty confident you're ahead.Getting it all in here w/ a draw just seems like an unnecessary risk, especially if you're following the strat guide this thread is based off of.You need to hit to win, and I don't usually like that situation in 180's, it's just not necessary.oh, and MP2 looks like he has 88+, probably an overpair. The BB's range is much wider, since he was getting over 3-1 on his call.If you like to gamble early in these, then I'd say go for it. However, I wouldn't make a habit of this play in 180's. Link to post Share on other sites
throwemaway 0 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Your up against a set most likely from the BB and the big stack most likely has an overpair..Drawing pretty thin, and like Beaver said, its really not terribly hard to get chips in these ahead with as many donks as there isWhat was the buy in for this one btw? Link to post Share on other sites
nudz 0 Posted February 3, 2007 Share Posted February 3, 2007 What do I do here? Second blind lvl, no read4,40$ 180Blind 15-30Utg+1 big stack 8kHero MP 4k (JJ)villian bet 840Hero...?Fold, push, call?And is there big difference between 4,40 and 10?(great thread btw, just won my first 180) Link to post Share on other sites
Chris E 0 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Favourited! I figure I'm a long way off playing for real money but when I do this is what I'll be looking at, thanks for all the tips and advice. Link to post Share on other sites
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