Pl Hi-lo Hand

[dingas 0]

HERO 2h Ts Ac 4c3 limpers, I raise pot on button, only one limper calls. Flop (board: Qs 7d Th): limper checks, i check. Turn (board: Qs 7d Th 4s): limper checks, i bet pot, he calls. River (board: Qs 7d Th 4s 7c): limper bets pot, I call.How did I play this?

[rog 0]

Let me start by saying that I just started playing PLO8, so I'm getting spanked regularily. That said, I dont see why you bet the turn unless it was to steal. I also dont see why you called the river. You have a weak two pair on a paired board. I dont see many ways youy're ahead here.

[moneytoburn 0]

Pot the flop

[navybuttons 15]

not good.

[bdc30 0]

Pot the flop

Exactly what I was thinking. You have to bet out here.Maybe not the FULL pot size, but at least 1/2 . You're hoping to take down the pot right here, but if you get calledand don't hit a GREAT card on the turn, then the hand isn't costingyou any more money.Calling this river is fairly horrible though.

[dingas 0]

Okay here are my thoughts. Although I usually bet out after raising pre-flop, I think you have to vary your play sometimes, or people will start check-raising you; and since I'm in position without much of a hand, I don't think I'm giving up much by checking it.On the turn, I hit two pair with a low draw against an opponent who has shown no strength. My hand is probably the best here, so I bet.On the river I called with 2 : 1 odds that my opponent is on a total bluff. He checked the flop and check-called the turn -- nobody would play a set or two pair this way, so it's not possible that he has a full house. And I think if he hit the 7, most players would not bet because they'd fear a raise which would put them in a tough situation, checking to induce a bluff would be a more usual play here, since if I'm on a busted draw I can't call a bet anyway. So I think that this bet in this spot is very odd, and usually a bluff, and that my pair of 10s will be good at least 1/3 of the time.

[bdc30 0]

So I think that this bet in this spot is very odd, and usually a bluff, and that my pair of 10s will be good at least 1/3 of the time.

I disagree. You're slaughtered here more often than not.Bet the flop.

[dingas 0]

Given the way he played his hand, what would you put my opponent on?And I only need to win a third of the time to make this call profitable.

[InertGrudge 0]

Bet the pot and this hand plays differently. Bet around 2/3rd - 3/4ths of the pot there.Call on the river is simply awful. Against most players, you're not going to win this pot 1/3rd of the time, so it's not even a profitable call over time.My guess, since you said that, is that you won the hand and he showed something like K-J-A-x with two spades and bluffed the river.

[ChrisOfSpades 0]

Given the way he played his hand, what would you put my opponent on?And I only need to win a third of the time to make this call profitable.

so many things beat you hereJJxx, KKxx, AAxx, Qxxx, A27xand im not even counting the way a donk may play QQxx in this spot (bad check/call on the turn, i know, but it happens. it's almost a textbook slowplay in holdem tho - check, check/call, lead.)if you lead the flop, you can get a free card to draw to your low (he'll likely check behind on the turn). but w/ a weak two pair that got even weaker on the river, i dont see how calling makes sense. unless you have an absolutely PERFECT read.

[bdc30 0]

My guess, since you said that, is that you won the hand and he showed something like K-J-A-x with two spades and bluffed the river.

I was thinking the same thing. If the OP posted this hoping we'd all tell him how well he played it, then all I ask is that he post his SN andthe site and limit he plays at. I think he'd learn quickly from a few peoplejust how little he knows about Plo/8...

[dingas 0]

About the flop: I would bet here most of the time, but I had won two pots out of the last 6 raising pre-flop and pot-betting on the flop, and I didn't want to be seen as doing this indiscriminately as eventually people will play back at you.About the river: Does anyone not agree with me that his play is an obvious bluff? I know he could be bluffing and still have me beat, but what's wrong with taking 2:1 odds that my hand is good?

[dingas 0]

Okay, I'll tell y'all the truth.I called and I won the hand. But the only reason I did so was because of a hallucination -- I was two tabling and writing an email at the time, and when a low card hit the river, I thought I had made the nut low and called instantly. Honestly speaking, if I had been paying my full attention to the game, probably I wouldn't have made this call.But thinking about this hand has been very interesting for me, and I think that by trying to put the opponent on a hand, a good player could make this call in this spot. I do believe that against most players (unless it's someone who never bluffs, or someone who would slowplay the nuts until the river) this IS a profitable call over the long run.