Hypothetical Wsop Me Question?

[tyfgine 0]

I'll take the over, and I'll wager $Texas.

lol, so funny, so funny.

[Vick12 0]

StylinU eating too much poi today???Come on bro..u are better than a thread like this!!!Just sit back and enjoy paradise and while there maybe hit up a UH Men's Volleyball game at Stan Sherriff.At least that's what I'd do instead of thinking about a situation at the ME where I fold aces preflop!!!

[TB17 0]

As soon as I saw "hypothetical question" I knew where this was going...

[thenutlow 0]

I bet some people posting in this thread would fold if they were actually in that position, and in some cases it wouldn't be the wrong decision.try and figure out why

[sdnuol 0]

with that many people in the hand and so much money on the line i have to say i would most likely fold i dont careif its the right move or not. if you know you can out play your competition in the long run why risk several million dollars? just make sure you only show the camera one card at a time. that way if you have an ace cover the camera then check to see if there is a second ace. if there is and your in this position and you want to be a dumbass ***** like me and fold just make sure the camera only sees one ace so you are not made fun of the rest of your life at the poker table.

[ben_wallace 0]

This is the most over-asked and most under-needed question in poker. There was a cardplayer article this came up in and teh answer was genius, although referring to this happening on the 1st hand, if you don't have the balls to risk it with pocket aces you don't deserve the wsop title. A better answer is if you feel teh need to start a thread on this ****ing stupid topic you don't deserve to play poker, let alone win the wsop me

[bobbywithani 0]

Outplaying your opponents is over-rated.

[thenutlow 0]

This is the most over-asked and most under-needed question in poker. There was a cardplayer article this came up in and teh answer was genius, although referring to this happening on the 1st hand, if you don't have the balls to risk it with pocket aces you don't deserve the wsop title. A better answer is if you feel teh need to start a thread on this ****ing stupid topic you don't deserve to play poker, let alone win the wsop me

if you cant figure out the difference between it being on the first hand, and it being on the final table where you can fold your way to another coupla million dollars, then you dont deserve to have the ability to post an opinion.the correct play in a poker situation isn't always the one which maximizes your EV. IT depends on certain utility functions which are naturally different from person to person.. although being an expert on cardplayer magazine articles I am sure you already knew about that

[bobbywithani 0]

the correct play in a poker situation isn't always the one which maximizes your EV.

Since when?

[thenutlow 0]

Since when?

since always?lets say someone enters the WSOP, they are a billionaire. Their only goal is to make it to the second day. Should they call all-in on the first hand with AA if everyone moves in?How about a family man that worked out before the tourney started that if he won $3m which would be enough to provide a very nice life for his wife, pay off his mortgage,allow him to retire, and secure an education for his kids. Should he call all-in at the FT in the situation posed by the OP with the AA and risk getting 1m, or should he fold and almost g'tee that golden figure of $3m?

[phlegm 6]

In case anyone cares , You will lose more often then win with AA against 3 or more callers.

[Bubba83 0]

In case anyone cares, You will lose more often then win when you enter a tournament.

FYP

[bobbywithani 0]

since always?lets say someone enters the WSOP, they are a billionaire. Their only goal is to make it to the second day. Should they call all-in on the first hand with AA if everyone moves in?How about a family man that worked out before the tourney started that if he won $3m which would be enough to provide a very nice life for his wife, pay off his mortgage,allow him to retire, and secure an education for his kids. Should he call all-in at the FT in the situation posed by the OP with the AA and risk getting 1m, or should he fold and almost g'tee that golden figure of $3m?

well most people here aren't like that, and when we post questions we want answers that are correct poker decisions, not ones that help us squeeze into a higher mark. Not to mention the fact that in this stupid question that simply because two short stacks are all in against someone that has you out chipped, certainly does not guarantee that you will move up in prize money. They could both win the hands. The shortest stack could have more than the second shortest stack so they would both still be in. Folding AA pre-flop is wrong in ever situation possible, except in super-satelite blah blah. You are wrong, and so is anyone that advocates folding AA pre-flop at any point during a tournament.

[chrozzo 19]

i would fold, fold AA every time

[sdnuol 0]

In case anyone cares , You will lose more often then win with AA against 3 or more callers.

yeah i was going to say something like that but didn't want to mess it up

[scottyno 0]

im actually going to try and give a serious answer here even though the OP is pretty dumb.look at the payout structure from this past years final table1st $7,500,000 2nd $4,250,000 3rd $2,500,000 4th $2,000,000 5th $1,750,000 6th $1,500,000 7th $1,300,000 8th $1,150,000 9th $1,000,000 the difference between 9th and 4th is only 1 million. If you win this pot you will almost certainly have a commanding chip lead and be pretty much guaranteed a spot in the top 3 unless you do something stupid, or guaranteed at least 1.5 million more at the minimum, with a chance for up to 6.5 million more. Against 3 other players with AA you will probably be about 50% to win the hand, depending on the exact hands you are up against, AA against 3 lower pairs is 52% to win, and agianst 2 lower pairs and AK is 58%. More than likely the shortstack all in has the worst of the 4 hands and is most likely to bust. This means even if you bust, unless hes the one to get lucky you will get 8th for 1.15 million. the other 50% of the time you will almost certianly be guaranteed top 3, or an average of around 4 million. If 50% of the time you get 4 million and 50% you get 1.15 million, vs folding and staying in 4th place which would be 2 million, you make the call and take your chances here.

[thenutlow 0]

well most people here aren't like that, and when we post questions we want answers that are correct poker decisions, not ones that help us squeeze into a higher mark. Not to mention the fact that in this stupid question that simply because two short stacks are all in against someone that has you out chipped, certainly does not guarantee that you will move up in prize money. They could both win the hands. The shortest stack could have more than the second shortest stack so they would both still be in. Folding AA pre-flop is wrong in ever situation possible, except in super-satelite blah blah. You are wrong, and so is anyone that advocates folding AA pre-flop at any point during a tournament.

you still dont quite get it, but thats ok.. I didn't expect you to.do a bit of research into utility functions, and see what you think then.When people post questions on here, they do it to gather a deeper understanding of the different facets and factions of poker. Maybe if you think about poker a bit more, it might help you appreciate different situations a bit better.. namely if someone is playing with this in mind, as in to move up the ladder, if gives you a LOT more scope to accumulate chips off these people. Thats just one example of how thinking situations like this through can indirectly aid your gameI also didn't say I advocate a fold. For anyone that wants to maximize EV, the call is *clearly* correct. I would call, but I wouldn't insult anyones ability to play poker if they folded.

[PoppinFresh 0]

I would just like to say that I enjoy thenutlows posts, good stuff

[Bubba83 0]

To contribute further to an actual intellectual discussion...If pay structures were flat it would be a different story.Let's say we have a prize pool for 1st through 10th to distribute.If it was distributed like:1st - 19%2nd - 17%3rd - 15%4th - 13%5th - 11%6th - 9%7th - 7%8th - 5%9th - 3%10th - 1%Then you could make a mathematical case for folding here. But the reality is, pay structures are not based on a flat rate of distribution. They are based on an exponential rate of distribution that rewards the top spots significantly for getting there.

[sdnuol 0]

im actually going to try and give a serious answer here even though the OP is pretty dumb.look at the payout structure from this past years final table1st $7,500,000 2nd $4,250,000 3rd $2,500,000 4th $2,000,000 5th $1,750,000 6th $1,500,000 7th $1,300,000 8th $1,150,000 9th $1,000,000 the difference between 9th and 4th is only 1 million. If you win this pot you will almost certainly have a commanding chip lead and be pretty much guaranteed a spot in the top 3 unless you do something stupid, or guaranteed at least 1.5 million more at the minimum, with a chance for up to 6.5 million more. Against 3 other players with AA you will probably be about 50% to win the hand, depending on the exact hands you are up against, AA against 3 lower pairs is 52% to win, and agianst 2 lower pairs and AK is 58%. More than likely the shortstack all in has the worst of the 4 hands and is most likely to bust. This means even if you bust, unless hes the one to get lucky you will get 8th for 1.15 million. the other 50% of the time you will almost certianly be guaranteed top 3, or an average of around 4 million. If 50% of the time you get 4 million and 50% you get 1.15 million, vs folding and staying in 4th place which would be 2 million, you make the call and take your chances here.

exactly a coinflip? that sounds like a sure thing. i like to gamble a million on 58% NOT

[bengy3 0]

Fold face up and say "only top pros like me lay this down!"

And then tell everyone how you can dodge bullets. Baby.

[thenutlow 0]

Sdnul,lets not make fundamental mistakes heregetting 3/1 or so whilst a 58% chance to win the hand is clearly a golden situation. If you were getting evens on a 58% chance then you might have a clearer case for not being enthused, but typically, anytime you get such an overlay as 3/1 as a favorite, you should be ecstatic to get involved **notwithstanding aforementioned comments regarding utility

[phlegm 6]

What would you do tho if this was a supersatellite final table where only the top 6 get seats,you have average stack with 7 players left and there is 3 all ins ahead and u got AA.

[thenutlow 0]

What would you do tho if this was a supersatellite final table where only the top 6 get seats,you have average stack with 7 players left and there is 3 all ins ahead and u got AA.

hi phlegmyes, this would be a really simple fold

[Vick12 0]

What would you do tho if this was a supersatellite final table where only the top 6 get seats,you have average stack with 7 players left and there is 3 all ins ahead and u got AA.

Damnit phlegm...go and through a curveball that actually makes sense!!!In this case it's a clear FOLD!!!! I play in the $3 rebuy sat's on Stars a lot and have been in similar cases twice.1st time I am UTG w/ KK. I open up for 3x BB and it folds around to the MANIAC w/ a monster chip stack. He immediately puts me all-in. Now...I KNOW my Kings are best...this isn't even a question because he has just pushed all in EVERY hand for the last 2 orbits just trying to KO people. We are 2 away from the bubble at this point. If i fold, I now have a stack that is still semi-safe, but w/ the open raise I made, it puts me near the bubble if I fold. So after taking all my time bank...I call. He flips up J6off...flop 6 rag rag...turn rag...river JACK!!! I get KO'd...no seat.2nd time I have QQ...remembering my situation from before and in the top 20 w/ 35 getting seats and 2 people from the bubble. My friend looks on in HORROR as I say "watch...i am gonna fold them w/o anyone rasing!"...i proceed to fold them and 3 hands later I get the seat.Moral...In a Sattelite, if 3 people are all in in front of you and there are 7 left and 6 gets seats...just laugh as u fold them straight up and unless something really crazy happens, you get a seat no matter what....THAT is 100% +ev!!!