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$25 NL on PartyTable Remedy (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the buttonTotal number of players : 10Seat 1: OHBoiler ( $5.80)Seat 2: jeffreydan32 ( $9.61)Seat 3: Joshua51 ( $24.75)Seat 4: VILLAIN ( $59.25)Seat 5: Geoff_G ( $17.70)Seat 6: gbosh ( $17.96)Seat 7: HERO ( $29.30)Seat 8: Kerrigan_ ( $25.15)Seat 9: AppleValley1 ( $8.85)Seat 10: Trotters128 ( $13.68)Trotters128 posts small blind (0.10)OHBoiler posts big blind (0.25)** Dealing down cards **Dealt to HERO [ Th, Ah ] jeffreydan32 folds.Joshua51 folds.VILLAIN raises (1) to 1Geoff_G folds.gbosh folds.HERO calls (1)Kerrigan_ folds.AppleValley1 calls (1)Trotters128 folds.OHBoiler folds.** Dealing Flop ** : [ As, 2s, 7c ] VILLAIN bets (3)HERO raises (8) to 8AppleValley1 folds.VILLAIN raises (17) to 20Hero?Villain joined the table an orbit or two ago. Aggressive, but unsure if he's tight or loose. Has taken down a few pots already without having to show down.My thought is that I fold to the villain's reraise. There's a draw out there so it makes sense for him to reraise me instead of smooth calling in case I'm raising with the spade draw. His reraise tells me here that he's probably protecting something that's got me beat - AK/AQ, maybe AJ, or even possibly 77.I thought this was an easy fold. Anyone think differently, or would have played it differently?

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$25 NL on PartyTable Remedy (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the buttonTotal number of players : 10Seat 1: OHBoiler ( $5.80)Seat 2: jeffreydan32 ( $9.61)Seat 3: Joshua51 ( $24.75)Seat 4: VILLAIN ( $59.25)Seat 5: Geoff_G ( $17.70)Seat 6: gbosh ( $17.96)Seat 7: HERO ( $29.30)Seat 8: Kerrigan_ ( $25.15)Seat 9: AppleValley1 ( $8.85)Seat 10: Trotters128 ( $13.68)Trotters128 posts small blind (0.10)OHBoiler posts big blind (0.25)** Dealing down cards **Dealt to HERO [ Th, Ah ] jeffreydan32 folds.Joshua51 folds.VILLAIN raises (1) to 1Geoff_G folds.gbosh folds.HERO calls (1)Kerrigan_ folds.AppleValley1 calls (1)Trotters128 folds.OHBoiler folds.** Dealing Flop ** : [ As, 2s, 7c ] VILLAIN bets (3)HERO raises (8) to 8AppleValley1 folds.VILLAIN raises (17) to 20Hero?Villain joined the table an orbit or two ago. Aggressive, but unsure if he's tight or loose. Has taken down a few pots already without having to show down.My thought is that I fold to the villain's reraise. There's a draw out there so it makes sense for him to reraise me instead of smooth calling in case I'm raising with the spade draw. His reraise tells me here that he's probably protecting something that's got me beat - AK/AQ, maybe AJ, or even possibly 77.I thought this was an easy fold. Anyone think differently, or would have played it differently?
I would lay this down also to a raise. He's telling you he has a big hand. He bets the pot, you raise, and he re-raises (pretty strong raise I might add), you fold.
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Why no re-raise pre-flop?
His raise scream AK though.A re-raise with an initial raiser, and a call is probably a -ev play with A10. If he is running with AK, AQ, or even AJ at these limits your getting called in any spot.Wouldn't seeing a flop with one raise and one call be the +ev play because if you hit two pair or better you'll have the implied odds to take down a big pot?
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A-10 isn't a crap hand. It's not a great hand, but it's a hand that could very well be ahead at these limits.I spent a long time working my way up playing low limits, and the play there is horrible. I'm not saying call a huge raise with A-10, that would clearly be a donk play. But there are some benefits to raising pre-flop here.

His raise scream AK though.A re-raise with an initial raiser, and a call is probably a -ev play with A10. If he is running with AK, AQ, or even AJ at these limits your getting called in any spot.Wouldn't seeing a flop with one raise and one call be the +ev play because if you hit two pair or better you'll have the implied odds to take down a big pot?
Why immediately put the initial raiser on AK, AQ, or AJ? A raiser here could have almost anything.
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A-10 isn't a crap hand. It's not a great hand, but it's a hand that could very well be ahead at these limits.I spent a long time working my way up playing low limits, and the play there is horrible. I'm not saying call a huge raise with A-10, that would clearly be a donk play. But there are some benefits to raising pre-flop here.
The only thing I can really see that raising pre-flop would do; would be to push out the caller, get the same amount of money in, and be playing HU against one opponent. I think regardless of a raise pre-flop or not the hand is playing out the same.
A-10 isn't a crap hand. It's not a great hand, but it's a hand that could very well be ahead at these limits.I spent a long time working my way up playing low limits, and the play there is horrible. I'm not saying call a huge raise with A-10, that would clearly be a donk play. But there are some benefits to raising pre-flop here.Why immediately put the initial raiser on AK, AQ, or AJ? A raiser here could have almost anything.
You're right that's why were trying to get some information and figure out what the villains holdings could be.The turn is what has me so "one sided" on this.
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Thanks for the thoughts everyone.Yeah, I folded that one without too much thought. Mostly wanted to see what people's reactions were to my raise on the flop. Sometimes I second guess myself in these situations because there are times I feel like I am just getting played at when holding TPGK. In other words, I raise to find out where I'm at, and the villain re-raises me back not because he's ahead, but because he suspects that I'm just raising to find out where I'm at. As for the preflop play -- I thought about reraising to isolate against the original raiser. But the raise came from EP and from someone who hadn't really shown that he was a weak player. The button and the blinds were a bit loose, so I thought a call here had a chance to make it a 4-5 way pot where the money I invested into the pot preflop would have greater relative equity due to the suited nature of my A-10. It seemed like a better EV play than isolating against an EP raiser that could have me dominated.

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Thanks for the thoughts everyone.Yeah, I folded that one without too much thought. Mostly wanted to see what people's reactions were to my raise on the flop. Sometimes I second guess myself in these situations because there are times I feel like I am just getting played at when holding TPGK. In other words, I raise to find out where I'm at, and the villain re-raises me back not because he's ahead, but because he suspects that I'm just raising to find out where I'm at. As for the preflop play -- I thought about reraising to isolate against the original raiser. But the raise came from EP and from someone who hadn't really shown that he was a weak player. The button and the blinds were a bit loose, so I thought a call here had a chance to make it a 4-5 way pot where the money I invested into the pot preflop would have greater relative equity due to the suited nature of my A-10. It seemed like a better EV play than isolating against an EP raiser that could have me dominated.
I don't mind your play on the flop, and I've second guessed myself many times into big losses. Don't give your opponents more credit than they deserve. They are often less sophisticated than you think. They probably assume you are raising for value and want to maximize their own value.As far as reraising with A-10 preflop, I think that it's going to be extremely -EV long term. It's a big time trap hand.
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Thanks for the thoughts everyone.Yeah, I folded that one without too much thought. Mostly wanted to see what people's reactions were to my raise on the flop. Sometimes I second guess myself in these situations because there are times I feel like I am just getting played at when holding TPGK. In other words, I raise to find out where I'm at, and the villain re-raises me back not because he's ahead, but because he suspects that I'm just raising to find out where I'm at. As for the preflop play -- I thought about reraising to isolate against the original raiser. But the raise came from EP and from someone who hadn't really shown that he was a weak player. The button and the blinds were a bit loose, so I thought a call here had a chance to make it a 4-5 way pot where the money I invested into the pot preflop would have greater relative equity due to the suited nature of my A-10. It seemed like a better EV play than isolating against an EP raiser that could have me dominated.
I like your reasoning it's well thought out.NH and even better laydown.-bwaves
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Interesting hand. Given the info you had on the villain, I think folding was the best option. I definitely agree with only calling preflop rather than reraising. When someone reraises from EP, I think you have to give them credit for some kind of hand. I applaud the post-flop raise. Too often people flop TP(ok)K and simply call a bet. They then have no idea where they stand. By raising, you let him know that you had something. His reraise definitely screamed strength and i think laying it down was correct.On another note, while I know you had only played a few hands with the villain, a hand like this shows the importance of paying attention to the way others at you table play. If you had seen the villain play a few orbits, and had paid attention, this decision would have been much easier.

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