Two Tough Hands In The Same Mtt.

[Bubba83 0]

These are from a Full Tilt $10+1 tournament with 185 entrants.Hand #1Blinds are 40/80 Hero has 1540 chipsCO has 2320 chipsButton has 1670 chipsBB has 980 chipsHero has Ac Kh in the SB.Folds to CO, CO calls, Button calls, Hero raises to 300, BB folds, CO folds, Button calls.Flop: 9s 7c 5sHero bets 420, BB pushes all-in, Hero cries himself to sleep at night...Just got moved like 10 hands ago and don't have any info on the Villain. I don't really think a good case can be made for calling, but I want to know how you guys deal with an AK here in the SB after some limpers because I hate this situation a lot. I lost half my chips here by playing it this way and folding...Hand #2Blinds are 50/100 Hero has 680 chipsSB has 3160 chipsHero has Jc 8c in the BB.Folds to SB, SB calls, Hero checks.Flop: As 10c 9dSB checks, Hero bets 200, SB Calls.Turn: As 10c 9d 6sSB bets 480, Hero cries himself to sleep again...He stop and go'd my last 480 on the turn... By the way, this is the same Villain from the last hand... Any ideas how to deal with either of these hands differently are much appreciated. By the way, I folded this hand also.

[jhub30 0]

In the first hand you raise too little. I want to raise to 5-6xBB after 2 limpers (especially considering you're out of position). Since this takes up such a large portion of my stack I might even consider just moving in here. The limpers are liable to be weak & will almost certainly fold. If they do call you're prolly in a coin flip. You might even be a favorite if some donk calls trying to play sherriff. There is nothing wrong with picking up the blinds and a little dead money from limpers with AK out of position. I don't see anythingdifferent you really could have done in the second hand. You're clearly folding.

[Bizzle 0]

I don't see anythingdifferent you really could have done in the second hand. You're clearly calling.

FYP.

[jhub30 0]

Correction. In the second hand I meant you're clearly FOLDING.

Correction. In the second hand I meant you're clearly FOLDING.

Actually I guess I did say to fold the 2nd hand. What's with Bizzle's post changing my quote?

[copernicus 0]

Correction. In the second hand I meant you're clearly FOLDING.Actually I guess I did say to fold the 2nd hand. What's with Bizzle's post changing my quote?

He is disagreeing with you....FYP="Fixed Your Post", ironically implying that you realllllly meant the corrected version.I disagree with you both on Hand 2. I push pre-flop after he limps. Unless he is setting you up to call your push with a big hand (Which I will often do from the button or SB if the SB or Button is in "first in vigorish" mode), he is very weak and wont have odds to call.On hand one I might push, but I think there are also good arguments for just completing and seeing the flop. If you connect, you look weak and get a smaller pair to bet into you with a lot of check/calling (an Andy Bloch special). If you dont connect you can get out cheaply. If the limpers tend to be tight post-flop but the CO or Button are fond of probe bets when checked to, I think this is likely to be the biggest EV play.

[jhub30 0]

I agree with you on the 2nd hand Copernicus. I didn't realize Hero was so short stacked. He clearly shouldn't be trying to play poker at this point.

[Bizzle 0]

He is disagreeing with you....FYP="Fixed Your Post", ironically implying that you realllllly meant the corrected version.I disagree with you both on Hand 2. I push pre-flop after he limps. Unless he is setting you up to call your push with a big hand (Which I will often do from the button or SB if the SB or Button is in "first in vigorish" mode), he is very weak and wont have odds to call.On hand one I might push, but I think there are also good arguments for just completing and seeing the flop. If you connect, you look weak and get a smaller pair to bet into you with a lot of check/calling (an Andy Bloch special). If you dont connect you can get out cheaply. If the limpers tend to be tight post-flop but the CO or Button are fond of probe bets when checked to, I think this is likely to be the biggest EV play.

Hehe, I push both preflop. I was saying that folding after investing 300 of your 780 stack is....insanity. Even with just 8 outs (even though it is probably 11) and one card to come.

[gobears 0]

I'm pushing in both hands.On the first one, I'm OOP after the flop so I'm going for maximum fold equity plus I want to see all five cards. Calling would be my 2nd option; see a flop cheaply and get out if I don't hit the flop.Easy push on the 2nd one.

[Mashchit 0]

Hand 1... I think that the raise needs to be more (someone suggested to me previously on this board raising the pot plus 1 BB for every limper), but I don't think that you have the stack for it. So, complete or push. Given that you've just been moved to the table I'd go for caution and complete to try to trap the enemies if you hit the flop.Hand 2... I'd have probably checked pre-flop and taken a free card on the flop and then made a decision on the turn when my draw missed. Copernicus' pre-flop push is a better suggestion though I think.

[Bubba83 0]

Hi, please look at hand 1 again, our stack is not 780.

[Mashchit 0]

Hi, please look at hand 1 again, our stack is not 780.

It's 780 in hand 2 before posting the blind?

[Bubba83 0]

woops, yes, im a tard, bizzle was talkin bout hand 2. so push preflop on hand 2?

[Bizzle 0]

Hi, please look at hand 1 again, our stack is not 780. Oh wait, you obviously meant hand 2, which notes the general inconsistency between how much the bets were and how large the stated stacks were. I apologize for this and promise to fix it.

FYP

[Rocketwadster 0]

Hand 1 - I think you just push there, or complete. I don't like raising, as you are going to be out of position against anyone who calls you, allowing them to possibly take away the pot from you on a raggedy flop. Just completing doesn't commit many chips, and once you miss you can let it go with minimal investment. Pushing will only be called by most likely upper-middle pairs (anything better most likely would have raised, anything less will most likely fold).Look at decisions, not results. :icon_cool:On hand 2 - you don't have enough chips to really play around with there after a flop (if you hit or not), so why not push pre-flop. You have enough to make a big dent in his stack right now should he consider calling right there, so your fold equity is very good.Look at decisions, not results.