Moral Dilemma?

[JeremyG 0]

People have touched on this but not really come out and said it...What if the guy was LEARNING and HAD THE MONEY TO LEARN AT THIS LEVEL?4/8 isn't a huge level anyway, and it's just BARELY getting to the point where people play semi-legit (unlike the 1/2 and 3/6 limit tables in Vegas).If the guy has a ton of money or even if he just has "oh, $1000 to blow and learn the game"... then what's wrong with letting him stay?Most working people that go to Vegas have $1000 to "blow"... it's not a lot of money really. He could slowly lose it playing Blackjack or he could learn a skillfull game.On top of all of this, he knows he's losing money, he KNOWS how MUCH he can lose... so he'll stop playing when he's had enough.I say let him play.

[BlueBlazer 0]

its a good point but some people have an addiction to gambling that they cant control...atleast take the guy to the side and ask him if hes alright be a better person then to just keep mashing a guy for everything he has...if i take someones money who i dont feel could "defend" themselves i dont feel good on the way home...atleast take the guy aside and ask him if hes comfortable with how much he lost and explain yourself so the guy doesnt think your calling him poor...

[turd ferguson 1]

Raise.

[ShakeZuma 585]

Raise.

no way.open fold.

[slash 0]

no way.open fold.

Correct. It's not fair to have the nuts against someone who doesn't know what they're doing.

[Suited_Up 2]

i agree its one thing to beat up on a sucker its another thing to take someones money who shouldnt even be there...im a moral person and a firm beleiver in karma

Santa too?

[Zach6668 513]

On a side note... Zach, have you really posted 1809 times since joining less than two weeks ago?

No. My account was deleted when they did the changeover, and they just sorta got me my account back, but for some reason, the date joined didn't change back.- Zach

[lew189 0]

I sincerely hope that my general sense of decency would overcome my desire for the money I could make at a 4-8 table. I've actually had a person who wanted to play me heads-up for money that I simply refused to play because I knew they couldn't afford to lose. I didn't like the guy particularly, but my desire to pummel him was outweighed by the fact that he had a family at home who I felt could use the money better than me.That said, once a person has been "warned," they're fair game, I suppose. If I still didn't feel good about the situation, I would probably just request a table change. But anyone else at the table isn't under any obligation to spare someone if they feel like fair warning has been issued to a person who is obviously in over their head.Another poster's point was a good one, though -- you can usually tell when someone is just throwing money away having a good time and gamboooling, versus throwing money away while looking scared/angry/emotional. The first guy should be accomodated; the second guy should be spared, if possible. At least in the world I'd like to live in.

[Nate The Great 0]

Sometimes, the person telling you not to gamble, isn't who you'd think. The fact is there are lots of times when you shouldn't gamble. Like when you're lonely, depressed, or when you've had too much to drink.

[chrozzo 19]

Sometimes, the person telling you not to gamble, isn't who you'd think. The fact is there are lots of times when you shouldn't gamble. Like when you're lonely, depressed, or when you've had too much to drink.

thanks Mr. Harrah

[hank213 1,823]

If he drops a a huge chunk of cash to me, I would probably talk to him afterwards. If I think he really is in over his head I'd give him 50 or 100 bucks for food etc. and a 1-800-BETSOFF card.

[minorityreport 0]

What moral dilemma? It's not like you're putting car keys into the hands of a blacked-out drunk--that's immoral. Playing poker with a total compulsive denegenerate who can't play poker is morally and ethically neutral. Besides the stakes are so small, you can't really destroy a guy at such small stakes anyway.But even at mid-to-high stakes, there would be no moral issue, unless this degenerate was family or a close friend.Hustle and Flow (It Ain't Over)Look this is my life, and it's a battle withinI gotta survive, even if I'm sinnin to winAnd if I show no remorse I reap the devil's rewardHe said he'd, give me riches but I'm lookin for moreWhen I was young, witnessed my dad, standin for rightBlack pride in him even though he passin for whiteTook years from my life, now I'm missin the manMoms on some other **** and now I'm missin the planAnd so I'm... stuck in this ****-a-maroleAll the lessons to a young teen baby was coldThen my pimpin-ass Uncle put me up on the gameIt really ain't no love it's 'bout this, paper maynePut me in a position, got me out on a missionCollectin from the hoes turned on to my pimpinA nigga from Memphis dealin with life as a struggleThis is the gift I was given so I just live by my hustle(Keep hustlin) It ain't over for me, no it ain't over for me(Keep, flowin) I'ma step my game up and get what's comin to me[Djay]Now I'm just gettin by, and it's ****IN with meSee others doin big thangs they was nothin to meI'm seein what I used to be, and it's lookin legitGot my hands on some music, started ****IN with itPut it down hard, then I started bumpin to thisI let some others get a dose and they was NUTTIN to thisLet me check my connections cause we go back in the daySay they was lookin for 'dro, heard I was hustlin hayGot me connin my niggaz, spittin game to my hoesThis my opportunity I feel like anything goesI was never 'sposed to see the new millenium mayneAnd I refuse to let my dad die in vainSo I give it my all, you feel my struggle and painIf you ain't feelin what I'm spittin trick you late to the gameBut the closest ones to me know I'm holdin it downYou gon' feel me one day, we gon' be heard in the town

[ishmaelsimpkins 0]

i have to agree that at some point you have to draw the line and have some compassion and forget about the money........remember there are plenty of other fish in the seaish

[FourFlusher 0]

One time I was in Harrah's, Lake Tahoe and my BIL convinced me that if I cashed a $2,000 check they would put me on the comp list. Turned out that wasn't true, but...While I was waiting for the phone calls and credit check, what ever they do, I was talking to the cashier. It's also the credit window. I asked him what was the likely policy if an obvious drunk on his ass guy was continually drawing money and obviously losing it hand over fist.He told me that Harrah's only allows adults to gamble, and treats customers as adults. If an adult want's to get drunk and piss his money away, they don't interfere.I would take the guys money, too. Like every body said, he could be learning, he could be having the time of his life, he could be drunk, he could be stupid. Maybe he can well afford it, maybe not.Either way, he walked into an adult situation and was playing for keepsies.If doing it harmed him, maybe he can learn from it.

[Swift_Psycho 1]

its unethical to let a fish keeps its money.

Obviously, every person has an opinion of what they would do personally in this given situation. It's really pointless for any of us to give the OP advice. Frankly buddy, it's your personal call.I would however like to point out that the above quote is such a stupid thing to say. Please explain exactly how it's unethical to show compassion. I'm not even saying that I personally would refuse to play with this guy because he was clueless, I'm saying it is nothing short of stupid to firmly believe that quote.

[GWCGWC 83]

I'd be pretty upset at the "regulars" who told him he should leave.

[nritchi3 0]

I fully understand this is a poker forum and for the most part I agree that if your dumb enough to put your money on the table when your outclassed then you deserve to lose it. However there are certain situations where you have to be a human ahead of a poker player. I have on a few occasions told people at the table that they are way out of their league and should probably try a different game. Needless to say there was a few unhappy players after I idid it. But if the situation arises again i will do the exact same thing.

[FourFlusher 0]

Suggesting it to him and forcing him out are two different things.Most people would probably refuse to leave even if you got their attention...pride.

[iggymcfly 0]

God damn it. I can't believe how ridiculous this forum is. For most tourists that are playing live in Vegas, poker is a game. Entertainment. They don't expect to win money. They just want to have a good time and get the excitement of dragging a pot every now and then. When you tell someone they're outclassed and they should leave, you're insulting them and taking away the enjoyment that they paid for. Go look at the slot machines in Vegas sometime. Everyone's "outclassed" there. They can't possibly win in the long run. But do the "good karma police" walk around the floor and tell them all to go home? Of course not. Just because you can't afford to lose $1,000 in a 4/8 game doesn't mean that someone else can't, and it doesn't mean that it's your duty to tell them what they should do with their money. If they're giving it to you, then be congenial and friendly, and try to give them their money's worth of enjoyment.

[GrinderMJ 0]

Wow guys, life isn't all about money, sometimes its more important to be able to wake up in the morning and have respect for yourself, and not being a horrible person. If the guy was just having fun, and the money meant nothing to him, then the people should shut their damn mouths and continue to make cash. However, if he was a guy who could not afford this loss, and was bleeding his life away at the table, I would talk to him and tell him he needs to leave. Sometimes you just have to identify things in life that are more important than money, and in my opinion, helping out people who need fits in that category. Maybe I'm just a big ***** though.

[SunDrop 0]

Wow guys, life isn't all about money, sometimes its more important to be able to wake up in the morning and have respect for yourself, and not being a horrible person. If the guy was just having fun, and the money meant nothing to him, then the people should shut their damn mouths and continue to make cash. However, if he was a guy who could not afford this loss, and was bleeding his life away at the table, I would talk to him and tell him he needs to leave. Sometimes you just have to identify things in life that are more important than money, and in my opinion, helping out people who need fits in that category. Maybe I'm just a big ***** though.

Well said. The biggest dilemma for me is homeless people, and yes I do see them. They usually come in with $30 or $40 they made at the slots from a couple bucks they found. The raise every betting round and usually win a couple pots at first before people catch on. Then they lose it all and usually walk away with a couple white chips left. 40 money. It's hard to know if this is immoral or whatever, because maybe the money would do them good, but most likely they will use it to buy beer or drugs. But I guess $100 isn't going to buy them a house, so who cares.

[bobbywithani 0]

I don't have a strong sense of ethics in the first place, but when I sit down to gamble, I have no sense. I'm there to make money, pure and simple, I couldn't care less if a guy blows his morgatge paying my good hands off.

[walktheplank69 0]

I once got in an argument with a guy at party poker until he came to a private room and played me heads up.We were only playing 3/6, but I took almost $1400 dollars off him. I did feel really bad towards the end, but just thought about the box set of the west wing that the next pot would pay for and I'd smile again.When he was busted, he asked how I'd beat him and I gave him a few pointers... Nothing much, just "Don't cap the betting preflop with A2".Anyhow, I gave him the password for the private room in the chat window instead of a private message and a coulpe of people followed in to watch. Next thing I know, after he's down $300+ they're telling him he's outclassed and he should quit until he's read a few books!!!The unethical bit is the two halfwits spoiling a good game... I spend hours and hours grinding out results and then, when I'm falling ass backwards into money, some bright spark says something to get rid of the fish. They have no right to make statements which will impact on your profit.They should be shot with **** from a cannonI only wish it was a real live game so I could have slapped the ears of them.

[finztotheleft 0]

On a side note... Zach, have you really posted 1809 times since joining less than two weeks ago?

Holy Cow

[finztotheleft 0]

It's one thing to beat a guy and it's a completely different thing to leave him for dead. When a punch drunk boxer can't defend himself anymore the referee calls the fight. Same thing here, this guy sat down with no way to protect his money and there comes a point where you gotta tell the guy, "Look you're a little out of your league here and running through a lot more money than most players lose in this game. You sure you wanna keep playing?" or something to that effect. It's called being a human being.

I really like this response. I wouldn't demand that the floor person remove him, but I would (like to think I would) suggest he learn the game before playing.And it is nice to see that several others on here feel the same.....you old softies, you