Theraflu 1,035 Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 my first time playing 2/5 at foxwoods, its a game i wanted to try but dont have the bankroll for it. won $1300 at the 1/2 table so i figured i see how the game played.After about an hour and a half, following hand comes up:Chip stacks: BB: about $400Hero: $370LP: 2: uimportantButton: unimportantbig blind is a competent player, ive seen him show a queen high all in bluff, but also value bet the pure nuts. he'll defend preflop, and make plays postflop.i get AQ hearts UTG, raise to $15button calls, LP folds, and big blind calls. Pots $62flop: Qd 7h 6hone of the better flops im looking for, with TPTK and nut draw. big blind checks, i bet $30, button folds, and big blind checkraises me to $100.I immediately put him on 2 pair, he would probably call preflop with any 6-7 and q-6 suited or q-7 suited. Regardless i feel i have to make the call. Pots up to $265 or so. Turn: 10s turns a blank, big blind bets $125.i got about $215 in front of me.hero ??? Link to post Share on other sites
RhinestoneCowboy 2 Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 my first time playing 2/5 at foxwoods, its a game i wanted to try but dont have the bankroll for it. won $1300 at the 1/2 table so i figured i see how the game played.After about an hour and a half, following hand comes up:Chip stacks: BB: about $400Hero: $370LP: 2: uimportantButton: unimportantbig blind is a competent player, ive seen him show a queen high all in bluff, but also value bet the pure nuts. he'll defend preflop, and make plays postflop.i get AQ hearts UTG, raise to $15button calls, LP folds, and big blind calls. Pots $62flop: Qd 7h 6hone of the better flops im looking for, with TPTK and nut draw. big blind checks, i bet $30, button folds, and big blind checkraises me to $100.I immediately put him on 2 pair, he would probably call preflop with any 6-7 and q-6 suited or q-7 suited. Regardless i feel i have to make the call. Pots up to $265 or so. Turn: 10s turns a blank, big blind bets $125.i got about $215 in front of me.hero ???If you put him on 2 pair, you now have 14 outs at the river (16 if he has 6-7). You are only getting 3 to 1 on your 3.5 to 1 call...However could he make this play with AQ as well? Maybe you have a free shot at scooping with a guaranteed chop.The other possibility would be 89s, but without a read on the player I have no idea.Personally, I have a tough time putting the guy on 2 pair with Q6 or Q7, and maybe he's making a move at the pot. I push knowing that I have outs even if he's got a set. Link to post Share on other sites
Limit Player 0 Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 I would have pushed on the flop to make this an easier decision for us. Link to post Share on other sites
Chief 0 Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 If you put him on 2 pair, you now have 14 outs at the river (16 if he has 6-7). You are only getting 3 to 1 on your 3.5 to 1 call...However could he make this play with AQ as well? Maybe you have a free shot at scooping with a guaranteed chop.The other possibility would be 89s, but without a read on the player I have no idea.Personally, I have a tough time putting the guy on 2 pair with Q6 or Q7, and maybe he's making a move at the pot. I push knowing that I have outs even if he's got a set.the very real possibility that hero is winning on the turn, in addition to the stack sizes, makes this is a clear pushif you think your chances of being ahead are quite small, you can call this bet i guess, and check call the river, there isnt really any differnce though from moving in at this point. bb has announced he is going to call your push -- he's getting great odds here, and his hand range in this spot probably includes some hands you beat Link to post Share on other sites
Theraflu 1,035 Posted March 6, 2006 Author Share Posted March 6, 2006 I would have pushed on the flop to make this an easier decision for us.Hmm i do like that, i was hoping for the heart to fall to make my decision for me. Link to post Share on other sites
Garn 0 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 yeah i would have reraised the flop all-in Link to post Share on other sites
Theraflu 1,035 Posted March 7, 2006 Author Share Posted March 7, 2006 i ended up pushing on the turn, and he turned over q7 spades for the 2 pair, and i missed my 14 outs, and lost the $800 pot. i really just had that feeling that he had 2 pair as soon as he checkraised me, since he was only betting into the pots that he originally took the lead in, and he purposely tried to take me off my hand. Still didn't think i could fold with so many outs, although just calling the bet and saving the $90 if i missed the river was a weak possibility, it seems like pushing the flop just to get max value for the hand, plus possibly fold equity would be the right play.overall, i learned that the 2/5 table is much more suited to how i play and that i can definately hang in the game, although i dont have the bankroll for it so i'll most likely be sticking around in the 1/2 luckfest. playing postflop with some skill is so much more rewarding though Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 my first time playing 2/5 at foxwoods, its a game i wanted to try but dont have the bankroll for it. won $1300 at the 1/2 table so i figured i see how the game played.After about an hour and a half, following hand comes up:Chip stacks: BB: about $400Hero: $370LP: 2: uimportantButton: unimportantbig blind is a competent player, ive seen him show a queen high all in bluff, but also value bet the pure nuts. he'll defend preflop, and make plays postflop.i get AQ hearts UTG, raise to $15button calls, LP folds, and big blind calls. Pots $62flop: Qd 7h 6hone of the better flops im looking for, with TPTK and nut draw. big blind checks, i bet $30, button folds, and big blind checkraises me to $100.Experienced chips that know me well would leap into the pot on their own at this point, rather like an old horse going home on a well-worn path. Link to post Share on other sites
Theraflu 1,035 Posted March 7, 2006 Author Share Posted March 7, 2006 Experienced chips that know me well would leap into the pot on their own at this point, rather like an old horse going home on a well-worn path.??? i dont get it. im a young stud, but i dont get your tired horse analogy. Link to post Share on other sites
David_Nicoson 1 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 ??? i dont get it. im a young stud, but i dont get your tired horse analogy.He's not tired; he's old. He knows where to go without my telling him. Like my chips here. Link to post Share on other sites
Theraflu 1,035 Posted March 7, 2006 Author Share Posted March 7, 2006 so i push on the flop? i agreed with this a few posts ago. but ok. Link to post Share on other sites
Jdr999 0 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 so i push on the flop? i agreed with this a few posts ago. but ok.I would.You might get some hands to fold, and you have a lot of outs, unless they have a set.On the turn, why go all-in when you going to get called? I would call the turn because you are in position, and the other player might put you all-in on the river regardless of what the last card is. And if you think you are beat and don't improve, you can fold and save $90. Link to post Share on other sites
Chief 0 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 On the turn, why go all-in when you going to get called? I would call the turn because you are in position, and the other player might put you all-in on the river regardless of what the last card is. And if you think you are beat and don't improve, you can fold and save $90.if you call on the turn you should not fold any river Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 I like how you talk about the 2/5 table being less of a luckfest, when somebody calls a UTG raise with Q-7 soooooted. You were cold-decked like a mofo here. Link to post Share on other sites
GABMAD 0 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Push on the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 yeah i would have reraised the flop all-ini agree Link to post Share on other sites
AshleyC 0 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Definitely push on the flop. I think that you may have hesitated tp push due to the fact that you were playing higher than your usual game. This shows how you need to be fully bankrolled for the game you're playing in. The stakes shouldn't effect the 'right' play. You should have no qualms about getting your money in with 14 outs (if he has you beat) and putting the decision on your opponent for all HIS chips. You may have fewer than 14 outs if he has 2 pair as some outs may make him a full house though. Link to post Share on other sites
srblan 0 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 Pair+flush draw hands are among my favorite NL hands to play aggressively, since even if you are behind you have a ton of outs (plus, if/when you outdraw, you will win a big one because you've taken out your opponent's ability to make a laydown). Shove it in and curse your bad luck when you miss. Link to post Share on other sites
The Bwaves 0 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 In all seriousness, fold AQ pre-flop!I hate that hand.(sw) Link to post Share on other sites
HurricaneKyle 0 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 I agree with pushing the flop in this hand. You have the nut draw and TP/TK. The hand is very strong, and even you are slightly behind you must gamble here with all your chips on the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
CrackofmyACE 1 Posted March 9, 2006 Share Posted March 9, 2006 I would have pushed on the flop to make this an easier decision for us. Link to post Share on other sites
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